richardhutnik said:
Seriously dude? You rip into me dude about this? You actually say that I don't know squat? I have never been to an Occupy? REALLY? You are the one who doesn't know. I had been involved with Occupy in Poughkeepsie starting at its launch in October 15 of last year. I supported it. I was involved with it, when it launched. I was also involved with working on trying to get Occupy Hudson Valley going, that was agreed to at a GA meeting, that was there to spin off things. I also helped to get Occupy Wall Street come together and organize a meeting with Occupy Hudson Valley, even acting as admin on Occupy Wall Street Hudson Valley page on Facebook. Unless you have actually done what I had done, you happened to end up following it merely from a distance. And you don't know, and don't see why other groups have issues dealing with them. You also fail to read what I said it being successful, and you are merely engaging in wishful thinking, such I don't have time for. In short, YOU are the one who doesn't know. As for myself, I am aware of some of the issues, but the reality is that, by its nature, Occupy doesn't have any demands it can make, because it is an Anarchist driven, consensus focused, make sure everyone's view gets covered and we all agree, approach to things. In the case of Poughkeepsie, it got reduced to nothing but some flowers on a sidewalk, and no one even holding signs any more. And if you don't see this, then you aren't close. You are seeing what you want to see. It is needed to happen, but isn't. By the way, I did get down to Zuccotti a few days before they shut the camp down, because I had a feeling it was going to happen. I picked up a number of buttons and information by anarchists on how they organize themselves and run things, that was very informative. I had Occupy Poughkeepsie tell me to wait for them to go down, but I went ahead of time. So, not only was I involved with Occupy in my area, I also attended the original Occupy camp down near Wall Street. And looking at what you wrote more, you seriously confuse support for issues Occupy did with criticisms and disappointment over Occupy as a movement itself, which started as a global flash mob in response to what Ad Busters put up. As a flashmob protest, it was very successful. As an ongoing thing, the impact is about nil at this point. |
it changed the converstation and even the policies being presented. It also has pushed many into alderman, school boards etc. positions of the dems to push out the corporatist. It did alot to start a change. Things take time. Not right away like how all the Republicans act about the ecconmy. "bush F'ed it up for 8 years but obama hasn't fixed it yet." Not a fan of obama but give him a break. with all the filabustering going on. He is to moderate for my likes but never would I vote for joke like Romney, So Obama it is. We will see a big shift in the next 8 years to push progressive values. I hate using those words to explain because it confuse's people.
this will all because the occupy movement. It push up all the right issue's. Maybe you dance but some of us actually went out and pushed into our local political organization. You have to push chanbe. 3rd party is a joke and republicans are nonsense. We needed a infrastructure to start with, what better then the democratic party. Get the corporate and blue dog democrates out.
