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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 14 May 2012
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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

You've got the entire definition of 'lifting' wrong. If I roll a ball from one place to another, I still haven't lifted it. If I pick up an object in space and move it from one place to another, I never lifted it. Lifting is when you force something in the opposite direction of gravity, and your argument is based on otherwise.


Lift translation: Raise to a higher position or level. Higher level to the proposed ground or horizon. This still translates to a movement in space OPPOSITE to the proposed level of the floor. No gravity is requred for this type of movement. 

Lifting force however is diferent. 

The ball you have rolled had external forces interferring with it. Chemical potential energy and Gravitational potential energy-Kinetic energy. 

Your proposed "Rock" should then be perfectly stationary in order for you to "Lift it". However, the this state of movement (perfectly stationary) can not be achieved in a three dimentional world. Atoms "vibrate" in our dimention and the only way to make them stationary is to achieve absolute zero. (-232 degrees celceus). Which is not possible in our dimention. As a perfect vacuum cannot be achieved. Thus the rock lifts it self from the vibrations of the very atoms that makes itself up, no matter how small the distnce it made the rock "lift" from the ground. 

Then you may ask. God can you make a "rock" that has absolut zero energy storage and lift it?

This is like asking God to make a square circle. As no possible matter contains zero energy can exist in the three dimentional world. You may ask God to Lift a rock in the fourth dimentional world. Lift which exists only in a three dimentional world and not any higher. Which then makes the whole thing illogical. 

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If you still want to press on with your "Lift force" then here it is. 

Draw the ground and draw a rock and label therock Mass = Limitless

On a second frame, draw the rock raised on a higher level while labelling it Mass = Limitless.

Easily done, by a higher dimentional being. 

 

(I have to go to sleep)


I have no idea of why you put so much weight into this certain example when it's the principle that matters, which is the god paradox. God cannot create a free will that He has no control over, because that would mean that He also is able to create a God that is mightier than himself (as previously mentioned).

Side note: The "God lifting a rock" example obviously implied that the rock was affected by gravity. You can't change the circumstances in a concrete example when you want to prove a point.