The Abrahamic Religions make No Sense

[IIIIITHE1IIIII]

Slimebeast said:

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

You make a good point.

The thing is though that when an atheist get the idea that everything is determined, then he won't really change a lot as a person. His opinions will pretty much stay the same. A religious person on the other hand would have to question his entire lifestyle and go: "Hmm... Maybe there is no reason to look down on homosexual people? Maybe circumcision should be up to the child to decide once it grows up, since it doesn't really matter to God anyway? Maybe I shouldn't look down on people who has sex before marriage? Maybe it's okay to file for divorce if the couple is unhappy?" (Those questions obviously differ from person to person.)

After all, the purpose of this thread is to stop unnecessary pain which is caused by unjustified religious rituals, which does not apply to atheists.

That applies to an atheist person just as well, you just haven't thought about all the implications it has to realize that your choices don't matter, that you have no free will.

Do you realize the implications? Don't you see how radically it would change an atheist if he truly started to live as if everything is pre-determined.

You would stop thinking "Dammit, Person X why did you make Y decision", because Person X could only have made that decision and not anything else.

"Maybe I shouldn't condemn that racist, rapist or murderer and make him feel bad, his opinion is just as well based as mine is".

"Wow, maybe I should start questioning my own morals and my own instincts - because there exists no moral choices, no right and wrong! Everything just happens and everything could just happen in one certain way and never end up in any other way, so what does it matter what my opinion is, what my instincts tell me (or whatever it is that pops up in my mind, all these opinions)? Maybe I shouldn't bother with other people's business at all, because what they do, they couldn't have done any other way, and what they will do in the future they wouldn't be able to have done in any other way - and it's all independent of what I do or don't do".

See? See how radical that is?

And impossible. Because no matter what you claim to believe in theory ("I do not believe in free will, I'm just a biological machine") you do not practice that in real life. No one does.

I am well aware of that there is not a single reason to be angry at anything, which is why I don't divide people between good and evil. I say people are fortunate or unfortunate. A criminal is unfortunate to meet with such fate, a child is unfortunate to fall victum for a pedophile, a pedophile is unfortunate to be born/raised as a sexually twisted person, and so on. Things that happens do happen, which is sad oftentimes. But you also get to enjoy certain things more since it makes you realize how fortunate you are.

Of course, the animal inside me still mekes me angry sometimes, but the very same animal is what makes the enjoyment in life possible as well. And I don't want some, by humans, made up rules about homosexuality being wrong to stand in their way.

But yeah, my morals still stands, as they are a part of who I have become. But that still has nothing to do with this thread.