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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 13 May 2012
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Slimebeast said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Bolded: People are responding to this thread, so obviously they do care one way or another. And especially you, who keeps writing essay after essay just to tell me how much you don't.

And you obviously misunderstood my entire purpose with this thread, which I explained earlier. My purpose is to make people understand that there is no such thing as sins. There are laws which should be held up, but unjustified sins (such as being gay and the other things I mentioned a few times earlier in this thread) cause pain all around the world every day. I have even said that I don't mind if people are religious, as long as they just let everyone who isn't live their own lives unaffected by their beliefs (which is the majority, by the way).

Going by the three famous scenarios I mentioned earlier, the best case would be if all who read this thread would choose the "God is almighty and can predict every decision that we'll make, so logically there is no hell"-option. That was my personal opinion before I left Christianity altogether, and it made me realize that sins cannot exist.

But by your reasoning not only sins cannot exist but right or wrong moral choices cannot exist either (as there exists no free will).

It's a good thread but it's more about the general consequences of having no free will rather than that Abrahamic religions make no sense.

It's like you have discovered how unlogical it is for religious people to go around and believe they earn a place in heaven by making the right decisions without sinning (when all our choices are already pre-determined and known by God, as we have no free will), but you lack to see how unlogical the moral choices of all human individuals are (when all our choices are already pre-determined, as there exists no proof of free will).

By your reasoning (that there is no free will) no moral choices make any sense. And I happen to agree with that, but that's not a dilemma for Abrahamic religions in particular, it's also a dilemma for everybody who are rooted in science!

Well, as I see it that's a very great reason to question the "sense" of Abrahamic religions.

I don't expect all to question their beliefs when reading the OP though, but it's one of the main reasons to why I started doing that 2/3 years ago. Insert science into religion and suddenly  the "sense" starts to decrease, and you'll have to find more illogical/scientifically unproven ways to defend your beliefs (like Sal.Paradise did on the first page of this thread, and thetonestarr a few posts ago).