IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
And you obviously misunderstood my entire purpose with this thread, which I explained earlier. My purpose is to make people understand that there is no such thing as sins. There are laws which should be held up, but unjustified sins (such as being gay and the other things I mentioned a few times earlier in this thread) cause pain all around the world every day. I have even said that I don't mind if people are religious, as long as they just let everyone who isn't live their own lives unaffected by their beliefs (which is the majority, by the way). Going by the three famous scenarios I mentioned earlier, the best case would be if all who read this thread would choose the "God is almighty and can predict every decision that we'll make, so logically there is no hell"-option. That was my personal opinion before I left Christianity altogether, and it made me realize that sins cannot exist. |
First, don't presume for a minute I care about what you think or don't think, or others do. People have their own agendas responding to you like they do, for their own amusement. This is entertainment for them. In my case, because I am fairly certain you are wrong in your thinking in this area, my corresponding with this thread is practice for my part, to refine issues and thinking on these issues. As something to strengthen my resolve, it works. As an attempt to change my mind, it is an abysmal failure.
Anyhow, if you want to have the purpose the thread to be something, it should be on what you want to discuss. In your case, it would be a whole lot simplier, if you would just come out with a thread in support of gay marriage. Since your agenda for abolishing sin is to clear the way for gay marriage to be ok for everyone, it would be just plain easier to just do a thread on that. When you don't get close to your original subject, and go WAY out there in the realm of metapbysics, or now the case of ethics, you will get a many paged thread that won't get to what you want to talk about.
But, if you want to do something on sin in general, well, let's look at your view there is no sin:
* Sin, by definition, is a violation of standard set by a certain code of conduct or ethics, that transcends personal preference or and desires, or arbitrarily determined sets of laws.
* If you argue there is no sin, then you argue for a case of there being no set of standards that is a universal set of rights and responsibilities. In short, you have reduced ethics and morals to nothing more than just personal preferences, either by a person of power and influence, or voted on by the greatest number in a crowd.
* By reducing ethics to personal preferences, you cannot argue that people have rights. Without standards that are above and beyond humans, then everything is preferences, either by elites who have power, or the masses.
* If, for example, a community finds homosexuality icky, they have the ability, becasue ethics is nothing more than personal preference, to block individuals from being couples in their area. They can also chose to kill anyone they like and disagree with, and come up with laws to support this view. In short, anything goes.
* Oh, you can argue, "But, one can use reason to show the right way". Since you have reduced ethics to nothing more than personal preference then reason is nothing more than a personal preference as an approach for determining what one prefers.
So, there you go. No sin, and you end up having no basis for arguing for gay marriage, which is your intention anyhow. Because, just because you get rid of God and sin doesn't mean you end up getting your agenda met. As can be seen, Marx wasn't supportive of homosexuality, and you have nothing to be able to argue in support of your agenda. Freed of a set of standards that can be appealed to, you have nothing to argue for the moral high ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_homosexuality
Early history
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels both to some level expressed anti-homosexual sentiments in their public and private writings.[citation needed] In their private communications to each other, they mocked the writings of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs and, after he was charged with homosexuality, the sexuality of Jean Baptista von Schweitzer.[citation needed] Yet, they said very little on the subject in their published works.
The Communist Manifesto does not address the issue of sexual orientation or gender identity. Some anti-homosexual notions are apparent in Das Kapital.[citation needed] Engels seems to be condemning homosexuality among men of ancient Greece in two separate passages in The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State, describing it as "morally deteriorated", "abominable", "loathsome" and "degrading".[citation needed] Later Communist leaders and intellectuals took many different positions on LGBT-rights issues.
The German Communist Party, during the Weimar Republic, generally supported the efforts to legalize private homosexual relations between consenting adults.
In the Soviet Union, homosexuality was originally decriminalized (in certain parts of the Union) by the Communist Party after the Revolution along with no-fault divorce and abortion,[9] since all old Tsarist laws had to be abolished. In the 1930s under Joseph Stalin, homosexuality and abortion[citation needed] were recriminalised in the nation. Article 121 explicitly criminalised male same-sex intercourse and with five years of hard prison labor as a penalty. The law was condemned by several communists operating in Britain. The law remained intact until after the dissolution of the Soviet Union; it was repealed in 1993.[10] Although the Nazis persecuted homosexuals during the Holocaust, Joseph Stalin regarded fascists and homosexuals as the same, and part of a far-right homosexual conspiracy.[11]
[edit]Homosexuals and communist membership
Homosexuals were sometimes denied membership or expelled from communist parties[12] across the globe during the 20th Century, as most communist parties followed the social precedents set by the USSR. Today, however, nearly all communist parties accept homosexuals and support the LGBT rights movement.
