IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
I mean, as humans we can predict lots of things that will happen in the future extremely accurately, but sometime we forget certain details which renders our calculation inaccurate. God, on the other hand, would not make those errors. Present is entirely shaped by the past (which cannot change), thus the future is shaped by present (which then cannot change). Underlined: That's what I have been doing the entire time, which is supposed to make others question their faith. It is up to others to convince me that I'm wrong if they wish to do so, or they could just ignore posting in this thread. Italics: I have full security in what I feel. Jesus wanted to spread his view of how He think that others should live (so do God...), so why shouldn't I be allowed to do so? |
One think that is an issue here, is that you presume that people actually care what you think or don't think, and presume that other care to bother to persuade you are wrong. Or the care to bother to have their faith questioned. Why is someone going to care one bit what you think. You, as is I guess typical of people who post on the Internet, are totally devoid of knowing what motivates people.
As for why the idea of Jesus and the religion of Christianity being spread, well, at its core is love actually, in the commands, the idea is one of salvation for people. It offers, by numerous means, commands, and so on, the ability to change lives. And if you care about people, and have the means to help, you can then do help. It is done through people, because people are to be elevated to partners with God and see this. It also offers people the option to say no, and this manifest things. What I see with you? You offer people nothing. You take away. You end up wanting to undermine and destroy what they have that holds them up, and offer them nothing in their place. You don't. If I am going to compare you, or any other stand alone atheist out there, who is on a crusade to deconvert people, to that of genuine people who practice loving faith, to be able to live with, I will go with those of the faith, because I don't see anything you offer of value to humanity. What you do end up, as a byproduct you don't see, is going to produce a society that ends up demanding more and more government services, to address needs that the churches you had churches torn down, have provided. And with this, will come people who are paid to do jobs, rather than people driven by love to make a difference in the lives of others. Of course, you don't see this. Why would you, a puny mortal be able to see the consequences of your actions. You just resent that religion has a moral imperative to reach out, and wish what you believe would, so you do it alone. You are one person on a quest to tip windmills alone.
You know what you remind me of? You remind me of someone I know of, who became an ex-friend, who yells at the world to vote third party, and goes out to beers to discuss with his associates in a "meeting of the minds". He then tells me, after I said it is a bit pointless, and I have a lot of issues I need to go through to "quit your whining". Take that attitude, turn it into a "meeting of the minds" on the Internet, and away we go. In your case, you end you getting frustrated and wonder why you bother, because the world doesn't go along. What you end up missing is a key piece of practical reality. You also miss that someone like myself finds your arguments lacking and understand the basics of how the God of Christianity works, and end up merely refining what I believe by your points. And in this, this discussion is of benefit to me, before it refines what I believe, and is of value. But, from your end, it will be an abysmal failure.
