The Abrahamic Religions make No Sense

[richardhutnik]

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Slimebeast said:

Why doesn't it make sense?

Let's pretend God is truly almighty and knows who will end up in Hell and who will end up in Heaven (and who will be immediately destroyed after Judgement day) and thus ultimately it means no human has true free will. So humans have no free will but religion teaches us to act as we have free will. A dilemma, right?

But how is that different from a naturalist atheist point of view? There's not a single proof that humans have free will and yet we all act as like we have free will. Every person makes thousands of moral decisions in his life as if he has free will and there is always somebody (including yourself) who will hold you responsible for your actions if you made a bad choice in a given situation. Exactly the same dilemma. Don't pretend that atheists are any smarter regarding this dilemma.

The bottom line is that it's not religion that doesn't make sense, it's the fact that we don't have free will that doesn't make sense.

You are absolutely right; it is the same dilemma. Naturalist-atheists don't mind if there is no free will though, while religious people would have to question their entire faith. If there is a free will though, then they'd have to question if God truly is almighty or not, which is another dilemma.

Bottom line: In both scerario's the Abrahamic religions makes no sense, as they claim that God is almighty and gave humans free will.

If there's something that I'm missing, feel free to fill me in.

A naturalist-atheist, who doesn't have any responsibilities in life, outside of taking care for themselves,and does not worrying about society and how people do things can end up not minding the lack of free will.  The entire structure of society, with criminal laws and so on, and defense of "freedom" is based upon free will existing.  Take away this belief, and it is the end of laws that end up providing structured consequences for certain behaviors.  On the other end, it opens up prospects of a Totalitarian state where the best minds are supposed to make all decisions, and you fall under a society developed by Behavioralists on top, who end up believing the system needs to be structured in order to generate predictable outcome.  You are read as a nerve cell is read by the body, IF lucky, but things are done in a mass scale, implementing the moral conclusions of determinism.  It is usually done on a mass manner, easier to implement.  So, a society at least believe in a fiction of free will, in order to have some freedom, or freedom in all situations will be thrown overboard, whenever faced with something else.  A byproduct of this is a cencored Internet, and how things are in China.

What you miss here is the prospects of an almighty God giving people free will, which in reality here is restrained somehow, because no one has totally free will in life, because they are bound by certain necessities.  If such a God ends up knowing everything, and can do anything, it doesn't necessarily follow that God wants every single thing, at all times, to line up just the right way in correspondence with the wishes of them.  Such a God may want to have a system that can grow and mature on its own, that he can stand back and watch.  Actually, come to think of it, you are missing one of the usually key elements that usually come up when trying to say God exists.  That is one of motive.  It is supposed to be: If God is almight, all knowing, and all loving, then why is there evil in the world?  Take out the motive factor, and you still can explain it.  Without this, how do you know things aren't the way God exactly wants them now?  And if they are, then there is no issue here.