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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 11 May 2012
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SargeSmash said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


You seem to be confusing sins with breaking the laws. Sometimes they are the same thing (murdering, stealing) and sometimes they are completely different (believing in more than one God, being gay). But yes, I don't think that there is something called "evil". There are actions which directly and/or indirectly hurt others though, and those actions I obviously despise. Same sex marriage is not one of those things, neither is sex before marriage. Do whatever you enjoy doing, just don't hurt anyone in the process.

It is not my opinion that a world without a God is incorrect. Only that if there is a God then he cannot be almighty, merciful and fair at the same time. (check my three previously mentioned scenarios). I don't believe that there is a God though, and that I do simply because there is not a single reason to do so. There is equally as much evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster's existence as there is for God's.

Bolded: You should let them read the Bible then. Splitting a lake using a stick does not make "absolute sense".

I haven't confused anything at all.  What is your standard for the law?  Where is it derived from?  If there is no "good', or no "evil", then why is killing someone else wrong?  Why is same-sex marriage right?  Why is any sort of sex before marriage right or wrong?  All there is in these cases is another person's opinion.  There is no absolute standard, only relative ones based on whatever an individual, and in the collective sense society, deems to be "right" and "wrong".  There must be a standard, one that does not rely on relativity, on which society judges its actions.  It stands to reason that, if most human beings are in agreement that certain things, regardless of race, creed, or culture, are wrong, the probability of that being derived from a source outside ourselves is rather high.  Without that, the creed of "do what you want unless it hurts someone" is meaningless, an attempt to create a morality where one does not exist.

As for "splitting a lake using a stick", you should really read the Bible a little more closely.  The stick didn't split the waters.  Moses didn't split the waters.  God split the waters, and we're already within the realm of talking about an all-powerful God that created the Earth, along with the entire universe.  Do you think a mere trifle such as parting a body of water would pose some sort of challenge for him?  It's internally and absolutely consistent with the Abrahamic representation of God.  It makes perfect sense if one believes that such a being exists.

Can I prove that He does?  No.  But neither can the atheist prove the means by which the universe came into being, either, so both sides have to make certain suppositions based on unknown data.  Based on those suppositions, what has been said to explain (to the best of our ability) the Abrahamic God makes absolute and perfectly logical sense.  Rejection of the initial hypothesis is another matter altogether, and completely separate from the issue at hand.


Same-sex marriage does not hurt anyone. It does bring unmeasurable joy, however. Now, why is that wrong again?

I obviously knew that he didn't actually use the stick to split the lake, I was just ridiculing the whole situation where you implied that scientifically illogical stories made "absolute sense".

Bolded: When was God's actions divided into difficulties? As an omniscient being, one should be able to do anything with complete ease. That includes predicting what will be your next letter tapped on your keyboard.