Was the Wii a fad?

[Metallicube]

Mazty said:

Metallicube said:

Mazty said:

sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 

Wrong.

These interactive movies that pass for "games" that permeate the HD consoles these days are staggeringly simple. Many of them are so linear and limited in gameplay you essentially have your hand held from beginning to end.

Here's the basic formula: Press a to attack! Now move forward to the next corridor... Now watch our awesome cutscene! Rinse and repeat.

Ever try playing NSMB with 4 players? It's VERY difficult, as everyone gets in eachothers way and you must rely on precision and fast reflexes. Ever try the secret levels? They're brutally insane, especially if you are trying to get all the coins. Calling classic 2D Mario "casual" is an absolute travety and it shows the sad state gaming is currently in..

NSMB, along with Mario Kart is the way games should be. Just pure gameplay, no BS cutscenes, tutorials, countless dialouge, and all that extra fluff.  Funny how the definition of "casual" and "hardcore" are essentially reversed of what they should be..

Try playing on something other than "easy". Claiming all games are corridor crawls ladden with cut scenes is just rediculous. Go play Mirror's Edge. Go play Metro 2033. Go play Medal of Honor online. Go play Dawn of War II. 

NSMB is only difficult because of poor game design. LBP works well with 4 players because of a larger resolution. NSMB works with 4 players if you work in an annoyingly slow unison. Calling 2D mario casual shows how gaming has advanced and how some people aren't stuck in the past. Go tell a pro CS:S player that if he wants a challenge he should whip out a SNES.

Nario Kart is as good as broken. Incredibly strong rubber banding and a blueshell metagame. It's a complete joke. Mario karts is casual because a hardcore player can have never played it before, and after a few runs essentially break the game through it's own dated mechanics. 

Welp, seems we have VERY different views of quality games..

First off, I said "many games" follow this formula, not all. Online multi is where the modern HD games get it right, along with open world games like GTA4 and Skyrim. Which is why I play games like Gears and MW, and the reason most others do as well. I guarantee you they don't buy them for the underwhelming and overly easy single player campaigns.

To each his own I guess. If 2D platforming isn't your thing, that's fine, but don't go claiming these games are "broken" or "outdated," or whatever excuse you have to degrade them just because YOU don't like them. There is a reason NSMB Wii has sold 25 million copies, and no, it's not because it's "casual," Whatever that means, and it's not because people are stuck in the past. I'm still baffled anyone could call classic Mario a casual game. 2D Mario is probably about as pure and "core" a game as they come.. Haha, "poor game design." That's rich. The game is arguably the best of this generation..

I'm not stuck in the past, and neither are the 25 million others who have bought the game. We simply have standards, standards that NSMB Wii reaches that most other games that seem to favor horsepower over gameplay simply don't touch. Quality gameplay and fun does not age. Gaming hasn't advanced from my view. If anything, it has regressed. Simply better graphics and more enemies on screen doesn't automatically make it better.

If Mario Kart is broken, that's pretty sad state of affairs for the industry that a "broken" game has outsold most games by about 30 to 1. Mario Kart Wii is quite possibly the most fun I've had this gen, so it's doing something right.

Yet another person caught up in the industry and gaming media created buzzwords of "hardcore" and "casual" that mean absolutely nothing except a poor attempt from the industry to put gamers into demographics.