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richardhutnik on 11 May 2012
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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
richardhutnik said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Wrong. I have even managed to make my friend beieve that there can't possibly be an almighty God (which he previously though) and that the free will do not exist. Eventually, I even managed to make him believe that everything is determined (which we frequently talk about). And he will probably pass through that thought to other people.

Context of what I write, is people on the Internet you interact with.  It is people you don't know, who you really don't care about, and it is the same for them with you.  It is individuals who have lives outside of you, and if you disappeared, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to them.  Well, unless you are presuming strangers on the Internet, who post and read forums like this, are somehow your friends, the way the friend you talk about is.

If you seriously want a new one ripped determinism, I suggest you do research into quantum mechanics.  The fact that something gets an observer impacts how it acts.  If things were totally deterministic, then why would this happen?  Besides this, if everything were totally deterministic, why would you bother trying to convert anyone to anything?  Won't the deterministic system of the universe end up making what they are?  And also, how do you know that it isn't important for people to believe that they have free will, in order to make determinism work?  Either you have zero impact in the ability to change others personally, because the system is there, or the fact you can change someone with your thoughts to believe determinism means that your belief in determinism is folly, because what you decided to do did have an impact.

I will not discuss this here (I even have a separate thread about that). You are going way off-topic.

So, you are saying you have chosen to not discuss or defend determinism here?  Part of your argument is a case for determinism, so I addressed that.  It is ok, to understand that it was preordained that you no longer discuss determinism.  Those are the breaks I guess.