Is it fair that God forces us to be conscious for an eternity?

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Jay520 said:

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Jay520 said:
People think it's fair that God FORCED you into this crazy world without invitation? And then FORCED you to abide by his rules? And then when decide you want to leave this world (suicide), he FORCES you to an eternity in hell? No, he doesn't allow you to stop living, even though you have every right to since you never asked to live. He decides to put you through infinite torture for and infinite amount of time. Not to mention he knew how his plan would end since the beginning. That's fair?

Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

Blame your parents not God. Unless God is your mother / father / both at the same time. It's your parents who decided to make a baby, theoretically in the full knowledge that they were deciding on your behalf to subject you to an eternity of living in one form or another. How dare your parents make that sort of decision for you.

Unless you think God controls every decision anyone ever makes (i.e. free will does not exist), in which case you're just a robot with no true consciousness and hence you really don't have to worry about a post-mortem individuality. Without free will our individual consciousness is an illusion. So there's really nothing to worry about.

So, with free will it's your parents' fault for beiong horny at the wrong time, not God's.

Without free will you don't really have an individual consciousness with which to continue to be self aware after you die.

I've never heard of the No free will = No consciousness idea before, I don't know if I agree with that though.

Simple logic my friend. Without free will you are merely a sophisticated automaton who seems to have free will. A very small part in the biggest and most sophisticated RTS game ever created. You are merely an extension of God's (the game maker and game player's) will. Thus when you die your simulated independance merely goes back to it's origin, which is God. Doesn;t matter if you've been good or bad, because you are only a simulation and you've played your predetermined part in the RTS that is life.

I happen to believe in free will, so therefore I don't subscribe to the idea that it's God's fault that you exist, it's your parents' faults.

To answer your response to my first post: Who decides if you're good or bad? No one. Good and bad are intellectual constructs that we use in order to grasp abstract spiritual realities. Your spiritual path is your own to choose. You are responsible for seeking out spiritual truths and rationally deciding whether greed, selfishness, dishonesty and hate (vices); or kindness, generosity, honesty and love (virtues) are spiritually advantageous qualities to possess. If you develop the spiritual virtues in this life then the consequence is "goodness", if you don't develop those virtues and you succumb to vice then the consequence is "badness". Of course everyone is a mix of both, but almost as important as having "good" qualities is the striving and effort you put in to attain the "good" qualities and overcome the "bad" qualities. It's a bit like if you eat you live, if you don't eat you die, is it anyone's fault but your own if you choose not to eat and you die?

People don't like good and bad because it comes off as all sanctimonous and judgemental. So you could use other terms like beneficial and detrimental, or helpful and harmful, or useful and  useless.

I don't think many people attain the level of spiritual development by the end of their lives to become part of the great consciousness immediately. I think the vast majority of us still have work to do after we die to get there, some have a lot more work to do than others, and a few of the most unfortunate individuals possibly don't bring the necessary tools (hint: virtues) with them.