Seriously sick of the politics threads

[GhaudePhaede010]

PDF said:

GhaudePhaede010 said:

PDF said:

GhaudePhaede010 said:
If you do not vote. You win in my opinion.

Every politician is fail. America should be run by the majority and it is not. This is why we are in such a deep crisis.

Imagine if in 2002 George Bush had to "ask" Americans if we can go to war. Our lives might be drastically different if we got to vote on it. You know, if the majority had a say in that instead of the gay sex issues that we were to vote on at that time, maybe we would not "need" Chelsea's mom or Obama's drama.

Anyway, I think America should go on strike and have absolutely nobody vote.

I luagh at all of that.

If you truely understood our voting systems and how the whole voting process works then you would know that a Majority Vote in a place as big as the USA would not work.  If we went to a popular vote then small rural towns and most of the heartland of America would have no say.  Poloticians would only be interested in big cities and only interested in adressing their concerns.  There are a # of different voting methods that we could use that are better for instance.  Going to a distric vote for each state rather than a whole state.  Is that perfect? NO but it is better than what we have now.  We could also force states to give a % of their electoral votes rather than the whole thing.

True our Voting system is broken but that is no reason to boycott it.  You accomplish nothing by doing that.  America is great becuase ever so many year you get to change your leaders.  If you are not happy with your mayor, govoner, or President you can vote him out.  The best way to get us to change is to vote for the candidate you think will bring it.(not any endorsement of Obama)

If George Bush asked us if we wanted to go to war and it was a popular vote, we still would of gone.  Most Americans supported the War at the start.

To your last comment, I said "MIGHT" as in it is undertermied. You nor I have any idea how it would have turned out for sure, but at least we would have had a true say in how it happened. As it were, we had no say and the power is not with the people.

Second, if we went to a democracy, then everybody would have their say. Small and rual areas might not make majority vote, but at least they can try, through any means of media to convince the bigger markets to take a look at issues from their stance. Hey, did we get to vote on gay marriage? But the gays, the ones that it affects, are in the minority. How would they ever get a law passed in their favor? You see my point here? I hope so.

Since our voting system is "broken," how do you propose we fix it? Ghandi showed the world that boycotting and non-violent actions actually CAN make a movement just as lethal or even moreso than thee opposite. It takes a level of discipline and lack of selfishness that most are not willing to sacrifice for, but it really could work.

To tell me to vote, when nobody reasonably represents me or this society in a way that I find productive, is to show the true ignorance and sheep-esque persona that I see as more of a problem, and more dangerous to our brethern than our actual leaders.

Polls obviously showed majority was in support of the war.  It wasnt even a 60/40 split more like a 70/30.

Do you not know we are a Democracy?  We are a Republic which falls under a for of democracy.

I do not think you understand how are government works and why a simple majority vote is not so simple.  We are a federal government.  That means we have a National Government and a State Government.  The National is there to keep the States in line.  The State government is there to deal with your problems.  You dont want somone in another state to decide what you get to do. Do you?

States want to hold on to their power and sovereignty.  It benefits us.  It is why laws vary from state to state.  People dont want New York and California to make all the decision for everyone.  If we went to majority vote less people would have there say.

You cant boycott elections.  If you do what does it accomplish? Nothing.  You cant boycott and force them to give you a better candidate when what you think a good candidate is diff than other people.  You have to just choose which one you think is the best and if you really wantto make a change get invovled.

1) Polls are taken from a small sample that may or may not be accurate. And besides, thee amount of information our government would have to tell us would change drastically; if we had control. We would want to know more about the situation before sending our troops into war. And that changes the whole outlook on what either of us is talking about. We still could have went, but WE would have decided.

2) Republic =/= Democracy. Obviously I know that and so do you.

3) Stop thinking. You make yourself look the fool. None of my points are perfectly sound and even I can see the holes in the plans. That does not mean I wish them different, nor do I "not understand" how "are" government works. Just stop it already. I mean, I must know something...

4) Then on a state to state level, keep things as they are. But on a NATIONAL level, give everyone the right to have a say. And you completely dodged my gays point. The minority can have a say, or even impact the majority with some effort. That is where the system I would hope for shines. State to state can stay the same, but when it comes to war, or national economics, let people become educated, instead of sedated. You understand what I mean? Just because of thee ability to vote on major things like that, you would find many, upon many more people interested in how our country is run. As it stands, people are losing interest and our country is definitely hurting because of it.

5) I CAN boycott elections if I want to. Hell, I already have on a few occasions. To ask for a better system is thee only responsible action we, as a country, can take. I already stated my views. You are sheep and part of a bigger problem than those officials that get elected. You feed into the problem and then look at our children; your children, and say, "well, you fix this mess we created." Eventually, someone has to committ to an action that changes this country. Right now, you are telling me to keep it exactly the same. That is not going to fix anything. It has yet to thus far. We are in serious decline right now.

6) The best candidate to represent me is ME. And the best candidate to represent you is... probably not Obama or Hilary. You get me? We should have more control. That is what I look for. There is nothing wrong with us having the say.