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yo_john117 said:
Jay520 said:
yo_john117 said:
Jay520 said:
@ Yo_John

I'll just repost this

Let's assume the universe wasn't formed by a series of random events. How does that leave God as the only other possibility?. If the universe must have been created by something, why does that thing have to be God? Why did that thing have to have a conscious? Maybe the thing that started the universe was an object from another universe. There is no reason to believe that the thing that started the universe even had a mind. It could just be a black hole from some other universe that spawned our universe.

There's no reason to believe that the creator was an all-knowing, all-powerful being. No reason at all. It may not have even had a conscious. It may not have even been alive.

And if there were a God, what motive would he have for creating a universe? Love? Passion? Doesn't make sense to me.

IMO a lot of your points could be put in the "created by random events" category like the black hole example. As for the being or thing that created the universe that my have not had a conscious or may not have even been alive theory can fit very easily in either side (for instance something could have created that creature/thing or it randomly just came into existance and randomly created the universe as we know it.)



Exactly. Both sides believe there was something in the beginning that started the universe. My question to people from your PoV is: Why do you think that thing was All-Knowing & All-powerful? (AKA a god). Nothing suggests that it had those traits.

This is probably the easiest question I've had to answer in this thread. It's simply because it makes the most sense to me.



I knoe that, I'm asking how does that make sense to you? What points you to that possibility as opposed to any other? You believe that the thing that started the universe had extroadinary traits as opposed to me, I'd assume you have extroadinary reasons as well.