CrazzyMan said: It did not sell at PS2 levels at $600 for launch, and it won't magically hit that number at a lower point. It will sell more, but not nearly as well as the PS2 did at $150. Back from the future? how do you KNOW THAT? because PS2 had price 149$ only in May 2004 and sold that year - 16 mln. or 2 mln. less then in 2003. And you know why? Because price halfed only after 4 years! PS3 will half it`s price already on second year. THAT will be a HUGE boost to sales.The problem with that is the half price of the PS2 was $150, whereas the half price of the PS3 is roughly $300, high end, $250 low end, which is still at least $100 more than the PS2 was at this time. Also, the GameCube cut it's price in half in two years, and it didn't seem to help it all that much, as far as I can tell. What if scenarios do not hold water in these comparisons. We don't need to know what ithe PS2 or anything else would sell like at those numbers because they were never released at that high of a cost, and for good reason. You can compare the GC and PS2 numbers right? Same principle. Since when MASS MARKET PRICE doesn`t MATTER???When was mass market price mentioned in there? Then I was right. Some of those games aren't going to make 2008. Most of them are garbage. A list of 40 exclusive games for any system will include a lot of garbage though. You again about Wii games??? This is Sony thread, NOT Wii.I'm pretty sure they were talking about any console. Obviously the PS3 has shit games, just like the Wii and 360 have, and just like the PS2 had. No. Wii can trump it, and 360 can trump it if you are bringing out PSN games with XBLA and VC. In the end, you are DREAMING too much.Matter of opinion, goes both ways. Because what if scenarios don't mean a thing. What if Nintendo and Sony made their system together? Would they be at the top? It doesn't matter. We have to deal with the realities infront of us. The PS3 is more expensive than that and it does have competition. This will hurt its sales. PS2 costed 299$ when GC was launched at 199$, that really hurted PS2 sales. LOL.When console REACH MASS MARKET PRICE, then price difference doesn`t matter ANYMORE. Please save this for when the PS3 hits the $299 today or tomorrow or whenever, and the Wii still smashes it after a few weeks when sales stablize. And the Nintendo brand was stronger than the playstation brand back when the PS1 launched. The Atari brand was stronger than the Nintendo brand back when the NES launched. Brand loyalty isn't all that strong. YET, Sony sold 4 mln. PS3 at 600$ price. IF 4 mln. for 600$ is NOTHING for you.. then. LoL. The GameCube sold 20 million practically on brand alone. That's why the attach rate of their bigger games (Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros) are so high, everyone who bought a GameCube bought it for those games basically. There just weren't enough of them to get sales all that high. I imagine the PS3 will face the same thing. Big titles, FFVIII, GTA4 (not exclusive though), and others that you mentioned, and though people will buy the system for them, not enough people will buy it to really boost the PS3 past the Wii, though it'll help the PS3 vs 360. Yup, they do. SC4, Guitar Hero, Culdcept Saga, Monster Hunter 3, GTA4, etc etc. That`s only 15% of ALL PS sequels. Why get cheaper system with 15% of sequels, when they can get 100%?MH3 is only on Wii, so that means the PS3 only has 95% of PS2 sequals. And most people will take the system with more of the sequals they want, and only at a price they can afford. Guess which system will never have a game with Mario, or Link in it? LIKE 120 mln. PS2 USERS CARED??? =)))))))))Zelda: OoT didn't save the N64. Mario games didn't save the GameCube. You act like everyone who owned a PS2 owned at least one of the big titles, but I doubt that's the case. Even if every person who bought a big title (FFX, GT3, MGS3, GTA-SA, the top sellers in their franchises) only bought one of those games, you only get 50 million or so, which is only 50% of the PS2 userbase. Now I'd expect maybe 35 - 50% of those 50 million are actually the same people, meaning there will only be like 25 to 32 million peole to "upgrade" to the sequals. The top titles on the GC sold roughly 27 million total, which is 128% of the userbase. And that's only the Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid, and SSB:M. I could probably include Pikim and Animal Crossing, which would bring it to the same 50% of buyers are the same people across games. Also, if you can say, "people don't care about Mario and Zelda", why doesn't it work the other way around? i.e.: People won't care about FFVIII and GTA4. And dont even say, "Mario and Zelda are overused" because FF is on the 13th game, not to mention the 13 or so spin offs coming in the next year or two. Also, don't misquote me on the "people don't care about Mario and Zelda" because I know you will.
Ummm... look at number of the games released now. With the hype for develeopers to do PS3, and X360 having a year to have games built for it. 321 games in 2 YEARS! PS3 is going to have MORE games in TOTAL then x360 by the end of 2008.PS3 233 games. X360 321. Better. Wii 370. 50% more games than PS3. Did you miss the Wii? It has twice the games as the PS3 in the same time frame. Also, since the Wii is faster to develope for, more games are coming out for it at a faster pace. |
@Retrasado: Not really. Anyway, I can work on my debating abilities against steadfast believers for when I run for a government position.
