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richardhutnik on 29 April 2012
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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Those are your words.  To get discussion off the GOP and so on, the SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD, you bring up the Democrats.  I had later on said that the GOP does it more, because I failed to call you on distracting from the subject of the thread.  You did this.  What the Democrats does is irrelevant to the topic at hand here.  it is about Paul Ryan and the GOP.  What I am guilty of is letting you get the topic derailed.

So, back to the point raised, and you can choose to not answer it, as I would predict: Is GOP budgetary policy reflective of the wishes of Jesus in any way or not?  Do you care to answer that?  I will tone the extremes and ask you that.  There are some who will say no:

You made a comment to which I responded. I didn't initially respond to the main topic of the thread because I honestly didn't find the OP all that interesting, and anyway, I've already said my piece on whether or not Paul Ryan is a flip flopper on Ayn Rand. Unless he has called himself an Objectivist in the past, I don't see how he is.

As to whether GOP budgetary policy is in accordance with what Jesus would want, I guess you'll have to first show where Jesus ever opined on what he thought the role of government (not the individual and not the church) should be in helping the poor before we can answer that question.

I asked you to show what the view of Jesus was.  Your reply here is that you are refusing to do this.  What Jesus would want here is important to this thread, because it connects directly to the Paul Ryan issue, the Republican party, and issues regarding conservative Christians.  It also is relevant to a reply of this thread because someone said the Republican budget has nothing to do with what Jesus would want.  I will take your lack of an answer to it, and dodging as you are now, as support for the statement that the Republican budget has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.

If you want a case for the role of government to help the poor, then you can see the Sermon on the Mall video for scriptures that would point to the answer to be yes.  Since I already posted one that could be seen as support, it is your job to show one that opposes it.  In other words, show evidence that Jesus is opposed to government helping the poor, because I can play Bible prooftexting with you and present this case (your job is to show opposite):

* Jesus said to Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar (and to God that which is God).  Jesus supported paying taxes for what the government did.

* In the government we have, which was voted in by the people, it had determined that it would help the poor.  The U.S Constitution also speaks to promote the general welfare, which means to improve the general welfare of society.

These two together, end up then showing, if the government decides to tax and use the money to help the poor, based on the way we have government, Jesus would support it.  

Now, do you care to get into the Bible, Christian tradition, or anyone associated with Christianity today who has a wise argument and show that government helping the poor with tax dollars is against the wishes of Jesus.  Of course, it is also ok for you to admit you have no clue what Jesus would want, nor are interested in it, and we can move on from there.  If what Jesus has an interest in is of no interest to you, just come out and say it.