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superchunk on 24 April 2012
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happydolphin said:

^I can appreciate that chunks, but the paragraph is so full of fail:



The things is ridden with gaps, poor associative logic and such incohesiveness it's almost like it's meant to confuse you. To explain, Saskatoon and Regina, the most criminal cities in Canada, are amongst the TEN most criminal cities in the US. wtf?

So, property crime is higher in Canada than US, but violent crime is lower in Canada? That falls perfectly in line with what I said.

Homicide rate: So, the best the U.S. has had is 4.8 per 100k in 2010, whereas Canada peaked at 3.03 per 100k in 1975. That same year, it was 10.1 per 100k in the U.S. EDIT: Wait, I got this wrong, it's even better. In the U.S. the best is 10.1 per 100k in 1974.

There's more data but that's already good enough I'd think to say that Canada is much safer, and they are still enforcing more laws. Remember, Canada is very different from East to West. The West is more inclined to owning guns, the East not as much. Regina and Saskatoon are both in Saskatchewan (prairies, mid-continent). It's boring there.

Yeah, oops. In reading wiki again, I did screw up on the years in the homicide rate. However, US rate did fall faster during the same time period as Canada's.  :P

But, my point is that Canada has crime as does any other place and gun ownership is not the reason why its different.

"Historically, the violent crime rate in Canada is lower than that of the U.S. and this continues to be the case. For example, in 2000 the United States' rate for robberies was 65 percent higher, its rate for aggravated assault was more than double and its murder rate was triple that of Canada. However, the rate of some property crime types is lower in the U.S. than in Canada. For example, in 2006, the rates of vehicle theft were 22% higher in Canada than in the US. Since violent crimes are a smaller fraction of all crimes, the difference between the two countries is less than the homicide rate might make it seem, and the overall rates are generally close." - from same wiki article

So yes, Canada has a lower overall rate, but when you compare all crime and all other socio-economic reasons for that crime... its not that different and I'd bet that guns are not the cause.