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Seece on 22 April 2012
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thismeintiel said:
Seece said:
thismeintiel said:
ZaneWane said:
selnor said:
ROFL. M$ did win 2011. LOL.

correct

Incorrect. I would use math and charts to prove my point, but I doubt it would do any good, as you wouldn't listen.  Just don't be surprised when VGC doesn't drastically alter its 2011 sales numbers.

Really? Before 360 and PS3 more or less had the same amount of stock on shelves after christmas (last I checked) If Sony ship the 2m they expect that leaves 700k on shelves, that's a 1.2m gap between 360 and PS3's on shelves. I can't see us being that majorly off this years sales.

The fact remains we already got the 2011 charts from Nintendo's last quarterly report.  It showed that the PS3 and 360 were pretty much even in combined sales across the US, EU, and Japan.  We have little info about the territories outside those regions, however we do know they don't make up a huge amount of the gaming market and that the PS3 normally does better overall in them.  The only other info we got was from Australia, a decent sized region, that the PS3 was outselling the 360 by a good margin when the pricecut hit and was the #1 console in AUS for 2011.

Of course, the easiest way to end the whole argument, if your open to reason, comes from the fact that MS had to ship more consoles in Q1 2011 because of shortages from the previous quarter.  Looking at previous shipments for that quarter, they had to ship an extra ~1-1.2 million units.  Now you look at their 2011 shipments (14.9M) and subtract those extra units.  Basically, if MS had been able to keep up with demand in 2010, their 2011 shipments would have been ~13.7-13.9 million to Sony's 14.1 million.  See how the argument would have no grounding if this is what had happened?  Of course, I expect that to be ignored again. 

As for this quarter's shipments, don't you think Star Wars Kinect has a little something to do with them having only slightly below their recent normal Q1 numbers (1.5M-1.7M)?  I do.  Without it, I would assume stores would have only ordered ~800K-1M units.  But since all those Star War Kinect Bundles went out all over the world at the end of March, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch that stores may have order an extra ~400K-600K.

The first part of your post doesn't mean anything if there really isn't 1.9m on shelves right now. As for Star Wars, A) we have no idea how many they shipped, B) if there wasn't a Star Wars bundle in the first place had they not sent out normal 360's.

I'm not saying 360 won, I think PS3 likely pipped it, I just think it's a lot closer now, because I don't buy there are 1.9m on shelves right now, way too high, and I don't think we're far off for Q1 this year.