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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
pezus said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


I have said a few times that I don't actually believe in randomness (but had to include it as it's still possible through quantum mechanics). So, no.

Exactly. Now, let's all get back to what we were doing. This thread will get us nowhere, as it's impossible to prove or disprove anything concerning free will and such. It's a bit like a discussion about a god's existence.


The whole point though is that it doesn't matter if everything is determined or random since both cases would mean that you don't have a free will, as explained in the OP.


You realize that, if true, the impossibility of choosing between alternatives implies that you have no reason, right? Unless you're prepared to assume a magical law that forces material processes in your brains to engender true thoughts. But even the "assume" part is tricky because it suggests free will... And the "magical" part is probably more unpalatable to you than the existence of a mind out of space and time whose thoughts have made free will possible, aka God or whatever people have called it.