How to disprove free will using basic logic

[Netyaroze]

Sal.Paradise said:

Netyaroze said:

Sal.Paradise said:

Quantum effects are only significant on a microscopic level. On a macroscopic level their effects are 'averaged out' in the thermodynamic/entropic soup, thus we have common properties for materials etc etc.

Translated: I don't think quantum theories are significant enough in this debate, but that I haven't really read much on that strand of the issue. 

Several hypotheses have the brain working with quantum effects:

 

http://machineslikeus.com/testable-quantum-effects-in-the-brain.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_brain_dynamics

But aslong as we dont have a theory for everything in physics and know how the brain works. Its all just guessing. Nobody has the slightest idea if we have a free will or not. There are so many holes in the knowledge about us and the universe that a fundamental question like this cant possibly be answered.

 

Hm, those theories seem in their infancy but it's very nice to know about them, thankyou! Quantum really does pop up everywhere. 

And I completely agree with you, the question is unanswerable, and so we need to simply assume that our internal thoughts are our own in order to keep a sense of moral responsibility in society.

The concept of 'Free Will' is an anthropocentric concept anyway, so as long as we all act according to our internal desires we can be considered free. 

Those are not even theorys yet too much stuff we dont know. 

I agree with how you think about the matter. Its the "healthiest" way for our society to think about it.