How to disprove free will using basic logic

[McGran]

Euphoria14 said:

As much as a am enjoying this conversation I can't help but feel bothered by this topic right now, lol.

I am sitting outside right now (I didn't leave work early, it's just that the day was ending, lol), enjoying a Vodka and Redbull and watching and enjoying my daughter playing with the new bubble gun we bought her yesterday while we were out shopping.

I don't if the creator of this topic has kids, but as someone who has one, it is way too hard to sit here and accept that everything that is going on right now and seeing where my daughter is because of what I teach her (As well as the pre-preschool we put her in daily) has little to nothing to do with anything. I find that to be, whether you believe in your physics or whatever, to be absolutely insane.

As someone who believes that nothing is random, how do you think that everything, including what I am doing, drinking and watching my daughter do this very moment, is all part of a predetermined set of actions?


If I were to live a life thinking that none of the actions I perform are of my own doing, I would ponder all the time and just wonder to myself "What life am I living?", because if you truly believe that you have no influence on how your life plays out, then really, how are you to really enjoy any of it?


Realize that some of this may be written due to me having some drinks, so if any of it offends, please understand that is not my intent. My typos, if you find some, are not determined either, they are just a product of the alcohol.

Ok, I'll dip my toe in these waters and hope that I don't fall in.

Think of a determined universe as a movie where everything and everyone everywhere is a character.  Once a movie has been recorded that's it - no matter how many times you watch it's always going to turn out exactly the same as every other time you watched.  Our emovie (life, the universe and everything) was recorded at the instant of the big bang.  From that point on everything that has and will happen is fixed, ergo no free will.

However, only an omnipotent being will ever be able to watch our movie and the characters have no idea that they are in a movie (and by extension they have no idea that they have no free will) so they make decisions in the belief that they are decisions of free will.  In the only way that will ever make sense to the characters they do have free will.

So to sum up:

Determined universe = no free will, but since it is impossible for us to "watch the movie" we are compelled to act as if we have free will.

 

For day to day living the only question that really matters is, "Do I have a choice?"  On any decision you make the answer to that question must be "Yes".  Everything else falls under the domain of the theoretical, theological, philosphical and mathematical.

Think about it, if anybody could genuinely argue that they didn't have free will nobody would be in jail.