How to disprove free will using basic logic

[Wonktonodi]

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Wonktonodi said:
If you were to rewind time and watch the flip of a coin over and over would you expect the results to change or to stay the same?

As for this proving no free will one way or the other. How does someone choosing to make the same decision in a certain set of circumstances mean it wasn't free will. Some decisions are easy for people and many things would need to change to change the persons mind.

While if the decisions were different could mean it's a harder decision or just a less committed one. I don't see how you can just dismissed it as random though. Seems like you are oversimplifying to make a point.

If you rule out all free will as predetermined or random. You clearly think that free will doesn't exist and will argue any way to say so. So I'm curious do you feel you were predetermined to come to that conclusion or do you feel you came to it randomly? If your response to this destined to happen? Or will it just be from random happenings?

I obviously cannot correctly answer that but yes, I believe that everything is determined.

 

My point by this thread is though that I see two options:

1. Everything is determined

2. Randomness shapes our and nature's actions 

 

In any case, we do not shape our future (using free will). It's either determined or random.

I asked how you feel. You can only answer a question like that correctly :P there is no wrong its predetermined

Now I disagree that things are that simple. If you can accept such a thing as randomness why can't you accept free will?

You believe in two extremes but no middle ground. you are saying that all thoughts, emotion and creativity are all physics everything preset to do what it will do and some random events shaping the way. you may no know this is what you are arguing, but you are denying everyone their humanity. If we are already doing to do all we shall do, we are nothing more that the laws of the universe acting out.

Something I am aware of though is a belief like that is complete. There is nothing you can't explain. All things will fit into random or predetermined. You may not be able to give the details on the predetermination with how many forces are acting on everything at once. With how many action and interaction are taking place, but you don't need to.

I find it amusing in fact that you believe you were predetermined to come up with that belief. While I believe it is your choice to have that belief.

If I were to think like you I would find everything pointless and probably kill myself. So many thing that happen would just have happened for no reason other than that's how it would be with the randomness involved.  So I believe differently because I choose to and because I choose to I can be a better person. You may dismiss all that as physics and chemicals, but if people lived thinking that nothing mattered I see a world where people life not worrying about consequences only living for enjoying the moment. After all weren't they predetermined to anyway?