Troll_Whisperer said:
Azamondeps3 said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Azamondeps3 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
pezus said:
You're taking a very strict view of the meaning of free here. It's all about what free means. |
If you have a free will, then you can shape the future. If you don't have a free will then the future and all your future decision are predetermined or determined by randomness, giving you no control of your actions.
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In every moment in time we all have a choice but in that moment we can only make one choice thats the point, think about this if we have free speach we can say anything we want, but we cant because we are bound by rules and law so is that complete freedom of speach?
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But you're totally capable of saying things that are outside of those bounds and face the consequences, if you so choose to. Also, the law and social rules themselves are made by people's choices, they're not universal laws that bound you. |
Yes you can say them but because of these laws you are bound to a false sence of freedom, same with free will the law is physics and we are bound in that law we can do what we want but only within the law of physics
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You can't break the laws of physics but you can break the law. Some people have purposedly broken the law and changed society or history. Those are real choices you can make, it's not comparable to the laws of physics. I think you guys are taking a very strict stance on what being free means, read my post above for more detail. |
For me we are in a free universe I believe in libertarianism which is that we have free will and that reality is indetermined im bound by rules yes but I still have the choice and thats the point
