zero129 said:
Plezbo said:
| endimion said:
2000% agreed..... i don't see why those people think it's that crazy.... we are talking about a console that is not gonna release for at least 17 month and supposed to hold the line until 2020... 16 core is anything but irrealist or too much....
600 bucks if it's with 2 wireless pads kinect 2.0 and a game or 2 or xbl gold or some MS points it might be prohibitive for some people but that's why they had an arcade version... it is still not overpriced... then again when i bought my box i took a sport bundle.. with 2 pads starter kit xbl the big hdd and 5 games.... so multiple sku might be the way they go again...
remember also that the 720 will have to handle 3d at 1080p minimum, touch, movement tracking and voice rec.... plus all the apps from windows 8.... we might be able to use skype fb and other media while gaming... bottom line 16 core for a consol that will go until the end of the decade... is not over kill by any means... cell phones are about to get quad core by default....
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I wouldnt say crazy, but unless the architecture is very simple, 16 cores just doesnt seem likely. There just isnt anything in the pipeline right now. In 2005, the ground work for multicore processors was laid. Right now, the reason that you don't see more cores is because you reach an inflection point where performance goes down after 6 cores in most applications, simply because scheduling becomes so complicated. Also, the notion that it will be 4GHz is just false. 4GHz doesn't make much sense, the heat dissipation, parasitic capacitence, and syncronization errors are just too much to really be useful without super agressive cooling. Having built and maintained a hexacore liquid cooled system for scientific research I can tell you that it is not the best option for a consumer product.
If this thing has 16 cores in its CPU, it won't be a x86 or similar architecture, you would be looking at probably custom designed cores to do different tasks, some for kinect, some to buffer video, some for operating system, etc. I honestly think the new Xbox comes with a streamlined consumer level 6 or 4 core chip with the real juice in the GPU, these days GPUs are where you get your performance anyway. Whoever announced this probably also came up with the "Wii U sucks" and "PS4 is 7 gameboy pockets taped together" rumors, don't give it too much credit.
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High five for this post, as i agree 100% the GPU is what Ms needs to work on, a Good GPU with 4-6 CPU would be leaps and bounds above the 360.
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answering to both..... it's almost a given it won't be a processor out on the shelves to mass market.... once again you are looking at what is out today... when we are talking about something that has to be on par with the mid range market in 10 years.... t will be nothing less than an 8 core... in terms of power... like you said 16 core is not especially great.... but it will be more about how you developpe for it.... true the GPU is important then again we know nothing about what they wanna do and how it will be dev on....
what i'm saying is a rumor like a 16 core is more believable than looking at anything out today.... and cooling a 16 core in 19 nanometer die or lower is not that hard especially with new cheap efficient compact water cooling systems out today....
what i'm saying is regardless if it's a vaiable option or even a smart one something of that magnitude is anything but crazy..... just look at intel dev and release schedule in the next 10 years we'll hit 16 core or equivalent and way over 4 Ghz way before 2020 at the rythme they have right now.... they should have a 10 core over 4.5ghz out before the end of 2013 mid 2014 for mainstream high performance desktop.... pretty sure 10 core have been out for lil bit now for servers.... so a risc powerpc architecture under 19 nano with 16 is way more than a possibility by the end of 2013.... not that i'm saying it will happen what i'm saying something of equivalent wow effect is to expect.... anything below 8 cores and i'm going back to pc gaming...
