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d21lewis on 03 April 2012
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fillet said:
d21lewis said:
I don't know how on disc "DLC" can be defended. Other shady things I can at least relate to and see where they're coming from. With this, I can't.

Online Pass? It's free and it helps developers get money from used game sales. You want to play on their servers? Buy new or pay a fee. I'm okay with that.

Paying for cheat codes? You want to "break" a game that they spent time tweaking and developing? A small fee.

Day one DLC? Maybe it couldn't fit on the disc. Maybe it was intended to be on the disc but it wasn't ready in time. As long as the game is complete, it's okay.

Late DLC? I love it. You get more story, new levels, new powers, or whatever. You completed the game and you were satisfied. You want a little bit more, it's here. If not, it's no big deal. You finished the main experience.

On Disc DLC? This is some bullshit. They finished the content on time. They were able to fit it onto the disc. You purposely withhold it from the player and sell it to them as if it were some add-on bonus.

Like I said in another thread, if Capcom just came out and charged $80 for Street Fighter x Tekken, Super Street Fighter 4, or Marvel vs. Capcom 3, I could respect them a little bit more. It's the fact that they insult our intelligence that offends me. This content is on the disc I purchased but I can't take it to my friends' house? I can't use it if I don't have the internet, even if I payed for it? That's bull! And they've (not just Capcom) gone from charging for superficial stuff like costumes to key parts of the game. Game modes, characters, powers?

I don't like what my hobby has become.


You're missing the point imo. DLC on disk is a distribution method and that DLC would never have been on the disk or in the game is it wasn't being paid for. Any game being produced has a budget.

It's as simple as that. Think about this from a financial point of view, not where the DLC physically is, why is that even relevent? Games are made to make money and games cost money to make.

In fact, I would happen to disagree with online passes since they really do rely on ripping off a customer and reducing the value of a used game. Take Mass Effect 3, without the online pass it is impossible to get the "good ending" in the single player game. You have to play multiplayer for a few hours to allow the best ending to happen.

Now that is wrong, and abusive. DLC on disk is not abusive since it would never have even been made in the first place for free.

Interesting.  What else did you guys discuss in that Capcom board room meeting?  I mean this isn't Skyrim.  It's a fighting game!  Sure, they have trmendous replay value but is the budget really that big?  UMvC3 has a bigger roster of characters and half of them were licensed from Marvel!  I bet it cost more to get Iron Man, Spider-Man, Thor, Hulk, and Wolverine than it did to add Guy and Cody.  Is that why they advertised those guys (Guy and Cody) in trailers?  To be DLC?  And there was no way these two characters that people have been using since Street Fighhter Alpha 3 (1999, I think) were going to be in this game unless they could charge extra?  -------can't make paragraphs--------As for ME3, I hear (but haven't finished the game) that you can still get the good ending just by being thorough in the main game.  I haven't played it online yet and I have no intention to.   I'll have to look into that one.  If you can't get the good ending in a game that has been exclusively single player because they suddenly want to shoehorn in multi-pplayer, that is wrong, too!-----pretend there's a paragraph here------and yeah.  Games cost money to make.  That's why they cost $59 now instead of $39 in the PS1 days.  Plenty of big games do just fine at this price without ANY DLC.  Why does Capcom go into DLC overdrive?  is it because they have die-hard fans (SF fans are as loyal as they come) that are willing to shell out money for the full experience (ie: controllers, costumes, tweaks, DLC--fuck.  I gotta go to work and I can't edit on my phone.  gotta post this as it is.