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TheLivingShadow on 30 March 2012
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sethnintendo said:
TheLivingShadow said:
sethnintendo said:
superchunk said:
sethnintendo said:
Looks more like math to me.


WHICH IS USED IN SCIENCE!!!


I like science but I don't like math too much.  Math just seems like you can invent anything.  Here do this and that and this is the answer.  How do you know?  Because I said so.  

Take for instance e = mc^2  wtf am I supposed to do with that....  And how the fuck did he even come to the conclusion.  Why not e = mc^3?


Give me a min I'll make my own math equation.

Seth, if you don't understand what you're talking about at all, then it's better to keep quiet and not form an opinion.

Math, or more precisely, pure math, is the investigation of patterns and relationships. Math isn't only about numbers, it's about abstract patterns in general. However, math has unsurprisingly many applications in our world, because our world appears to behave approximately logically.

One such application is the theorem for the relationship between the mass and energy of a particle with mass. Every particle with mass has rest energy even if it's not moving, and that rest energy is given by that simple equation right there. That equation is derived from more fundamental principles, which is why it's c^2 in the first place. But most importantly, that equation works, which means it correctly predicts the relationships.

Also, the relationship as written is mathematical in its nature because energy and mass are measurable, and hence we may assign numbers to them. However, note that we may be able to divorce all measurements from this statement and the relationship should stay the same.

Finally, you can attempt to describe a physical, economical, or social situation with a mathematical description, but unless it works and it predicts future similar situations, then your relationship is useless.

Okay, but doesn't dark matter possibly prove some of Einstein's laws/theories wrong?  He was genius but to believe everything that he put out as fact would be a mistake especially given the limited resources he had compared to today.   There are many things in this universe that still can't be explained by a simple or complex math equation.

 

Although dark matter is the most popular theory to explain the various astronomical observations of galaxies and galaxy clusters, there has been no direct observational evidence of dark matter. Some alternative theories have been proposed to explain these observations without the need for a vast amount of undetected matter. They broadly fall into the categories of modified gravity laws and quantum gravity laws. The difference between modified gravity laws and quantum gravity laws is that modified gravity laws simply propose alternative behaviour of gravity at astrophysical and cosmological scales, without any regard to the quantum scale. Both posit that gravity behaves differently at different scales of the universe, making the laws established by Newton and Einstein insufficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

I apologize for not being precise enough, but I thought I needed to shorten my argument so that it could be read and understood in a relatively short period of time (i.e. didn't want you to go all TL;DR). When I said that Einstein's description worked, I meant under the reasonable spectrum that it is meant to work for. It does appear that Einstein's relativity may be incomplete in a larger sense. That still has nothing to do with what I said about math and science.