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sperrico87 said:
Rath said:
I think it's worth pointing out that social democracy (ie. liberalism) has been very succesful in co-existing with capitalism in several western european and oceanian countries. It can be argued that these countries are different situations than America but it goes to show that social democracy isn't the fundamentally flawed idea it is sometimes made out to be.


The other side to the Europe argument is that it's a dying continent with a declining birth rate, high unemployment, wildly excessive debt, and that their labor force is even less educated and more expensive than America's.  With the possible exception of Germany, at least recently.

I mean, Europe is bankrupt. Look at Greece. All of those EU countries owe trillions of dollars in unfunded mandates that they're never going to be able to meet.  They are the future problems of the United States magnified by 10.  The difference being, they rely on us for our dollar standard, so they will be left with nothing after our currency inevitably fails.

We are talking about different countries in Europe. The examples of succesful social democracy are mostly the countries in Scandinavia - high taxes, high employement, high levels of education, great healthcare and relatively low sovereign debt.

The failure of Greece wasn't particularly down to political idealogy - it was down to continuous and ridiculous deficits.

 

@Runa. No need to be rude, while you may not agree with his views (I sure don't) but his post was perfectly polite.