Santorum to ban pornography if elected!

[sperrico87]

Runa216 said:

sperrico87 said:

Nah, that's not liberal.  That's Libertarian.  Big difference.  And Libertarianism was the basis of the Republican Party until it was taken over in the 1960's by the so-called "conservatives".  Myself and others, such as Ron Paul, represent the Old Right, the party of Robert Taft.

Liberals believe in FORCING people to give others what they think they are deserved.  They believe in big, over-reaching government.  Much the way modern conservatives do, just in different areas.  Conservatives believe in a big overseas military empire.  Liberals believe in providing "free" health insurance to everyone, and taxing people without any limit.

Libertarians are quite the opposite.  The smallest government possible is the best government.  No government interference in any markets, for any reason.  Little or no taxation.  Truly free trade.  No aggressive war or military force unless we are under immenent threat and we have no alternative.  Absolutely no regulations on a person's personal behavior or habits, so long at that person isn't harming someone else.

So, I think you're right in that liberals agree with libertarians on a small number of issues such as legalizing drugs, but we are polar opposites on economic or social issues.  We agree typically with Republicans on economics or taxation, but are polar opposites on foreign policy and drug laws.

It might be better if I labeled myself and other pro-life libertarians as "Minarchists".  Not sure if you're familiar with that term or not.  Because, technically speaking, someone who is 100% absolute Libertarian would be pro-abortion.

I do find philosophy fascinating though, so feel free to disagree or agree.  I'll reply.

No that's not true at all.  You're resorting to a strawman fallacy.  Liberals don't want to FORCE you to give up your hard earned money, they believe in wealth distribution and a more level playing field (people who make more pay more taxes).  That's a pretty ignorant way of looking at it and a downright fascist view of a political party.  

You could chose to look at it like FORCINg, becuase it is law, but with the capitals and bold and the assertion they want BIG GOVERNMENT makes it sound like they're bond villains.  so yeah, try to not do that. 

If it's not force then what is it exactly? It certainly isn't voluntary.  Liberals and conservatives both use force to take money from people and use it for their own purposes.  Liberals like to take a portion of it and make promises to people so that they can make people dependent on them, get themselves re-elected, and thus create a vicious cycle.  Conservative use force to take money from people and use it to re-shape the world into oppresive pseudo-Christian puppet governments.  Either way, it is force.