Rath said:
Allfreedom99 said:
Rath said:
Allfreedom99 said:
I understand what you are trying to say and have me see your position on it. It may not have a concious in the beginning, but it is still human life with human DNA.
If I told you that I got a woman pregnant and said I was going to be the father of a mushroom plant once its born you would say, "you are mentally strange". Thats because you know that the moment I got a woman pregnant it means me and a woman have created a human life through my sperm and her egg. It may not have a concious in the beginning, but it quickly will within weeks and Inevitably will be birthed into the world as human.
All that to say....If its ok to end that human life before it develops a concious then it Must be ok to end that human life once it is more developed in the womb, or after its birthed, or heck when its a young child. Either way human life is being ended. Whether its before it develops a concious or after.
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I'm not trying to claim that it is not human life. I'm claiming being human life does not automatically make it a person. When it becomes a person is highly debatable.
@Kasz. It's not scientific. Show me how you can deduce personhood through the scientific method.
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defining personhood today is in debate as i see. Even if having a conscious defines a human as a person the human life that is developing in the womb will inevitably develop a conscious. It will inevitably be within the bounds of "personhood". a human life is human life whether its in its first stages in the womb or a 30 year old man. both have human DNA.
So if a fetus in the womb is a human being and will inevitably develop a conscious and be accepted into society as a "person" then what difference does it make if you end that life in the womb or as a 30 year old man?
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The potential to have a consciousness in the future is not the same as having a consciousness in the present.
Also human DNA does not make something a person, a dead body also has human DNA.
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I would still consider these as moot points. a dead body is gone. passed from life to death and will decay. a human in the womb consists of living cells developing as a human and a person in order to survive outside of the womb.
If we consider human life outside of the womb as having a right to live then one should also consider human life inside of a womb as having a right to live.
If you would consider me using a gun to blow the brains out of an individual who is unconscious or having no mental awareness right in front of your eyes to be a criminal act or murder then why isnt preventing a human being in the womb of a right to life a criminal act as well in your conscious?
