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Kasz216 on 14 March 2012
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Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
 

What I'm saying is that there  is no scientific definition of personhood.

Sure there is.  It's just, nobody would want to use that definition of personhood, because it'd be seen as extremely cruel and immortal.  Since it's not some time until after birth, and once a child is born, nobody wants to kill it.  Up until a certain point, a child is no more advanced then an animal.

I mean, afterall your an atheist right?  With no soul or spirit, personhood is encapsulated in the mind isn't it?


I'm an atheist yes, and in my opinion personhood is in some way linked to the mind. I strongly disagree however that there is a scientific definition of when it begins as the idea of personhood is an entirely philosophical construct.

May I ask... in what way?  Or do you just not know yet.

Really, badgenome's crazy scientists wanting to kill babies more or less is the interesting arguement actually.

Mentally, there really isn't much difference between a newborn and a fetus in late stages of what's considered acceptable abortion.

Outside survivability, in that.... rather then only the mother being able to keep the baby alive, almost anbody can keep a newborn alive.

So it's not really a question of "Is the child a person".  It's a question of, "Does a perspective mother have the right to abort a fetus and withold nutrients... the fetus more or less being a parasitic being."

Which brings some pretty interesting philosphical questions.

Espiecally when you look at the history of Abortion... it more or less has mirrored survivability.  Once abortions became legal, the point for which abortions were no logner alowed more or less was "When a baby realistically could live on it's own."

And yet, if that's your mark, why can't then at least a woman induce pregancy if not have the abortion?

 

And of course, the biggest conservative stumbling block is the "Rape and incest" clause.  Which is why I tend to actually tend to like far right wing pro-life people more then the ones who use that cause.   I may think they're crazy, but at least they're ideologically sound.  I mean, if a baby is made through rape, incest how is it any less of a person.

Same goes for disability.