Jesus vs Mohammed?

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ProdigyBam said:

Marks said:

Cirio said:

Marks said:

I'm probably going to sound ignorant saying this, but didn't Muhummad say things like it was okay to harm/kill non-Muslims and encouraged violence against them? 

I obviously haven't read the qu'ran myself but I think it has verses that say things along those lines. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not trying to be offensive, I actually would like to learn something. 

Muhammad never encouraged violence against anyone, and he never said it was okay to harm or kill any human. I believe I know what verse you're referring to from the Quran because it has been used out of context by the media a lot, so it's actually good that you're questioning about it. Firstly, you should know that the Quran isn't the words of Muhammad, but it is the word of God (that is, in Islamic belief).

God (in general) said that Muslims should first pray for the idol-worshippers and hope that they become believers in God. Muslims should then try to turn them into believers, but if they refuse then it is fine and they should leave them alone. If the non-believers attack the Muslims (like they savagely used to during that era), then it is okay for a Muslim to strike his sword against the non-believer to protect his beliefs.

That's a very general explanation of it, but people like to single out the verse of "striking the non-believers" out of context and blow it out of proportion mainly as an act of phobia against Islam. But when you read that verse in context of the paragraph it's in, then it makes sense.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up. I had my suspicions that those verses you talked about were being brought up out of context. Always good to learn a bit more!

Google the word tagyya, muslims are allowed to lie when its good for the spread of their religion, NEVER believe what a muslim says to you.

Please, buy the quran and read it for yourself.

Just two examples of  what muhammad really said:

"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah" (Ibn ishaq 992)

"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there  is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad  is the messenger of Allah" (Muslim 1:33)

There are more many more quotes like that, both from the quran and the hadiths (the word of allah and the word of muhammad respectively)

 

That's pretty extreme. This thread is about explaining why you believe one prophet is better than the other, not generalize and spread hate about muslims. I believe mods gave a clear warning about this type of posting early in the thread.

All that aside. I think you mean taqiyya. which literally means to conceal. Basically, a muslim was permitted to deny or even renounce their belief if it meant their or their family's lives were at risk. This is a rather old practice, and was more common among shias who were small in number back in the day.

You posted: "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah"

This is a common/frequent verse taken out of context.  This is only during war -muslims are under physical attack. You know, when people are trying to kill you.

Here's the full context “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.” [Al-Qur’an 2:190-191]

I really hate to have religious debates on the forums ... sigh. But the following verse is also out of context.

You posted: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there  is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad  is the messenger of Allah"

This is only in an islamic state, not in an act of war. Basically, in an Islamic state, non muslims residing in that land (christians, jews, etc) were offered submission to islam, if they refused, they had to pay a tax called the jizya. They could live there as long as they payed the jizya, and they were protected. If they wanted to live and not pay the jizya, they were unfortunately imprisoned. Not the women and children though, they were forgiven as were poor people.

Here's the full verse you took out of context.

"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, perform the Prayer, and pay Zakah. If they do that, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."