What I Think Needs To Be Seen In PlayStation 4 Next Generation! Message To Sony!

Shinobi-san said:

enditall727 said:

who said that PlayStation 4 will be a failed platform? and what exactly do you mean by "failed"?

the PS3 was a sunken ship because of it's pricing so are you talking about "pricing"? if so, I already said that Sony confirmed that they wont invest a crap load in the PS4 like they did with PS3

I did not say the playstation 4 will be a failed platform. I said Sony cant afford another failed platform. Failed in this context will be relative to Sony's position during that time. If the console is making them bucket loads of money then success. And very seldom has a console manufacturer made significant profits while not being the leader of the industry. This is why i think sony cant afford to settle for anything other than 1st place. AND IMO with your proposed strategy so far in OP (which is what this thread is about) i dont think that will get them there.

okay who said that PS4 will bring "nothing" new/innovative?

and by your logic i guess it is safe to say that Nintendo's Wii U is nothing but a beefed up Wii with a tablet controller and Microsoft's 720 will be nothing but a beefed up 360 with a Kinect AND a supposed Tablet controller(nothing innovative)

so basically the main competitors to Sony's PlayStation besides their hardware is of course the Wii Mote, Kinect and the new Wii U Tablet

Sony is already competitive to the Wii Mote with the PlayStation Move. If Sony just simply upgrade's the PlayStation Eye to the next kinect 2.0 level then of course they will be competitive to Kinect with the PSEye. Now If Sony makes a dedicated PlayStation Tablet, then Sony will also be competitive to the Wii U Tablet with the PS Tablet

^^ if they do this, basically every thrd party game developed around the Kinect and Wii U Tablet will also be brought to the PlayStation 4. PS4 wont lose any significant ground in the casual market just by this alone

when 720 and Wii U's sales explode in the Holidays, PS4's sales will explode right along with them. They wont be able to fall back on the holiday boost's to make up for the lower sales the previous 10 months and we all know that PS home console's sell more than the competitions Home consoles on a regular bases world wide ;)

You make some heavy assumptions. And i was just going off what you said in OP about what you feel is the most important aspects for ps4 to cover next gen. Your focus was on a core unit, that competes directly with wii u and kinect. Mine was something different all together. something preferably better.

And please leave your bias out of the discussion otherwise i think il sit out of the debate. The kinects IS innovative to most of the masses, whether it actually is or isnt is irrelevent. And im not sure how the Wii U isnt innovative? Its the first home console doing anything like that? Again whether that will be a success or not...who knows. But it sure as hell is innovative in the current console market space. This is not even debatable imo.

That strategy you suggesting to compete with the likes of kinect and wii u is ridiculous i cant see how you cant see that. At this point im wondering if you just saying things to make the debate go on? You used the move as a positive indicator of sony competing with the wii? are you for real? The move, in terms of popularity was a complete failure. And while we on this topic, releasing peripherals to compete with components that come standard in other consoles is risky and almost never works! Developers only release games on platforms that actual have a fanbase. Sure sony can release a tablet controller, but if NOBODY bought it then WTF.

Im sorry but this is one point where you completely off the mark.

i answered most of this above

and it would be kinda hard to say that Sony "copied" Kinect because from my understanding, the PROJECT NATAL tech was brought to Sony BEFORE it was known as Kinect with Microsoft. When Sony turned it down(being that they had PS Eye and they didnt really have faith in it at that time for PS3), Microsoft THEN took advantage of it <--http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/703554/sony-we-turned-down-natal-style-tech/

if anything we can say that Kinect copied PS Eye

and didn't Sony already have Tablets before the Wii U tablet was shown? ;)

If Sony brings them as accessories day 1 with PS4, i dont think we can legitly say that Sony "copied" them.

so In all actuality, when PS4 is released, Sony wouldn't have copied anybody

Again this is not about who copied who, but rather the feasibility of releasing peripherals to compete with standard components (that come with all sku's). Its not feasible. You've said nothing to counter that argument.

no, i'm not saying that they should be released with the $400 launch system. They should release them the way we seen Kinect and Move released this gen. They could maybe bundle Move,Big PS Eye and the PS Tablet with higher end PS4's at $500 each respectively

First off that price you got there is way to low. The ps3 is stil selling at about an average price of close to $300! And yet somehow sony can release crazy new hardware, a new ps eye and a tablet controller for just $499??!?? In what world.

Secondly, ive already stated the limitations of peripherals.

answered half of this above.

lol and the Move did its job. The move basically made it not possible for the Wii to rise crazily over the PS3 in the holiday seasons like it used to

I dont feel you answered this above. Or atleast i dont think youve countered my points on the matter.

The effect move had on ps3 console sales was very limited imo.

yes, they do

I had a small little section about PS4 and the American territory in the OP but i took it out to make it shorter

maybe i should re-add it.. hmm..

Theres one positive here for sony, the US market generally buys their prefered product. I dont feel theres much prejudice agaisnt foreign products like there is in other countries. So sony has the potentail to reclaim that market.

next gen PS Eye will basically render Kinect 2.0 irrelevant ;)

Kinect is already a smash hit. The next gen PS Eye is not....yet.

i never said that Sony "shouldn't" come up with something new

i'm just focusing on the fact that they should be competitive with the already existing Kinect 2.0 and the already confirmed Wii U Tablet

True you didnt say that, but you placed no emphasis on it at all. And in terms of your ideas on what sony should and shouldnt do it leaves no room for doing something additional. Unless you suggesting ANOTHER peripheral device. In which case my head just exploded.

Im focusing on the fact that they should blow the competition out the water, screw competing.

To be honest though enditall727 i dont feel you've read though my replies thoroughly, because if you did you would'nt have repeated most of what you already said. Which is kinda dissapointing as i felt we were having a genuinely good debate up until this reply.

...

I'm confused

now i'm debating on how i should approach this comment

i didn't think of this as being a debate but you said it was

and i feel like you low-key tried to challenge me

well

I did not say the playstation 4 will be a failed platform. I said Sony cant afford another failed platform.

come on now

you said --> Irrespective of the amount sony invest in their next gen console...a failed console is stil a failed console. We cant look at playstation as a seperate entity from its parent company. Sony cant afford another failed platform.

but whatever..

Failed in this context will be relative to Sony's position during that time. If the console is making them bucket loads of money then success. And very seldom has a console manufacturer made significant profits while not being the leader of the industry. This is why i think sony cant afford to settle for anything other than 1st place.

the only thing that could possibly keep PS4 from 1st place is the Wii Us launching a year earlier

the Wii sold so well because of its $250 price(VASTLY cheaper than PS3) and it having a new gadget(Wii Mote) but slowed down later on that/this gen

the Wii U will have a new gadget(WII U Tablet) and most likely Nintendo will launch it at a low price of something like $300 or $400

PS4 at $400 with better graphics AND the same type of new gadget (PS Tablet) AND a Kinect rivalling PS Eye could overly do the job in my opinion

and we will see if Nintendo and Microsoft launch their new consoles at a profit and make bucket loads of money

If Nintendo and Microsoft launch at a profit then their consoles will be irrelevant this time around

Wii U will most likely be the weakest AND cheapest console out of the big 3 next gen but will be more powerful than PS3. PS3 at $250 is being sold at a loss so a HIGHER POWERED Wii U at $300 will no doubt be a loss. The Wii U has to have ATLEAST $100 worth more tech in it compared to PS3 so a Wii U at $350 would be a loss. now lets say they launch at $400 which could give them a profit. Think about a higher powered PS4 with the same new technology AT THE SAME PRICE!!!!!!!!

WII U WILL GET FUCKING OUTSOLD!! lol

AND IMO with your proposed strategy so far in OP (which is what this thread is about) i dont think that will get them there.

so you mean to tell me that a PS4 with the hardware to run the samaritan demo, a PlayStation Eye to to render Kinect irrelevant, a PlayStation Tablet to render the upcoming Wii U tablet irrelevant wont get them there?

are you serious!?

you do realise that if PS4 has this stuff, the competition wont have AYTHING the PS4 wont have besides their respective exclusives right?

i wouldn't say "most important"

i just put SOME things that i want to see with PS4

And please leave your bias out of the discussion otherwise i think il sit out of the debate.

..(sigh)..

and here we go with the "bias" claims

typical..

The kinects IS innovative to most of the masses, whether it actually is or isnt is irrelevent

???

and what is your point by saying this?

who said that Kinect wasn't innovative? and now that i think about it, how exactly is it innovative?

this makes no sense. If something is innovative then it is innovative, if it's not then it's not

there is no inbetween/"most of the masses" bullsh!t that you're trying to claim

and i if you are implying that i said Kinect is irrelevant, i did not say that Kinect was irrelevant. I said PS Eye will render Kinect irrelevant next gen. I was saying that Kinect will be irrelevant next gen because of the higher powered PS EYE. The Kinect sky rockets the 360s sales higher than its competitors in the holidays. Now when the next gen Kinect skyrockets 720s sales every holiday, PS4s Higher powered PS Eye will sky rocket its sales right along with it basically nullifying its holiday effect over its competitors.

RENDERING THE KINECT-EFFECT IRRELEVANT NEXT GEN

And im not sure how the Wii U isnt innovative? Its the first home console doing anything like that? Again whether that will be a success or not...who knows. But it sure as hell is innovative in the current console market space.

now please tell me who said that the Wii U is not innovative?

I said that Microsofts making its own Wii U tablet was not innovative being that you were implying that Nintendo and Microsoft was doing something new while Sony wasn't or that Sony was the only 1 not doing something new

SMGDH

-_-!

and to think that you tried to say thy MY comment was dissapointing

This is not even debatable imo.

..oh the irony..

That strategy you suggesting to compete with the likes of kinect and wii u is ridiculous i cant see how you cant see that.

ok, how exactly is it "ridiculous"?

are you serious!?

i am fucking flabber gasted right now O_o

how is the PS4s making sure not to lose any ground to Kinect and Wii U "ridiculous"?

i guess its okay when Wii U makes sure to not lose any ground to PS4/720 next gen by gathering 3rd party support though right?

and its okay for microsofts making sure not to lose any ground to Wii U by making its own Tablet isnt "ridiculous" aswell right?

like are you even serious right now? like seriously

At this point im wondering if you just saying things to make the debate go on?

hmm..

this is funny because im pretty much thinking the same thing about you right about now

You used the move as a positive indicator of sony competing with the wii? are you for real?

you god damned right im for real!

do you remember back in 2010 when Move launched and here on the chartz only move pushed ps3s sales up by like 10k average but later found out that the PS3 had been selling over the 200k mark like the past 6 weeks after Moves launch? i remember it selling on average like 70-80k WW higher than it would've without the move

and arn't we seeing wii games coming to Ps3 now because of Move? We dont see too many because most of wii games are "shovelware"

now when PS4 is released, any competitor with a motion controller wont be able to effect Sony in any way because that future must-have motion game can easily be brought to PS4.

The move, in terms of popularity was a complete failure. And while we on this topic, releasing peripherals to compete with components that come standard in other consoles is risky and almost never works! Developers only release games on platforms that actual have a fanbase. Sure sony can release a tablet controller, but if NOBODY bought it then WTF.

how exactly was Move a "complete failure"? if im not mistaken the move sold like 8 million right? the Move basically has no games and it STILL sold 8 million so i dont know what you're talking about

The only reason you are calling the Move a complete failure is because you are comparing it to the Kinect right?

and i guess we should all forget the fact that Kinect was actually well advertised

HUNDRED$ OF MILLION$ advertised actually

and people will buy a PS Tablet

i thought nobody would buy the Move and Kinect controller but hey, look at the sales ;)

hmm idk there is something about you that is..... never mind..

Im sorry but this is one point where you completely off the mark.

no, that would be you ;)

its just that you simply choose to ignore it ;)

ive said it multiple times

and i didn't know that the Kinect came with every 360 SKU LMFAO!

SMH

Secondly, ive already stated the limitations of peripherals.

let me put this in an easy way for you to understand

in japan they have like 3 different PS3's at different prices like the black, white and silver consoles

lets say you have a the regular $400 PS4 and the $500 PS4

there can be 1 specific $500 PS4 that comes bundled with a High Powered PS Eye and another $500 PS4 that comes bundled with a PS Tablet controller

and Move can just be sold regularly since its the "complete failure" :)

I dont feel you answered this above. Or atleast i dont think youve countered my points on the matter.

The effect move had on ps3 console sales was very limited imo.

yes, i did answer them

the Move did its job

what is it exactly that you expect to see from Move? like do you expect it to sell the exact same as the Kinect or something? just because it doesn't sell THE EXACT SAME as Kinect doesnt mean it's a "complete failure"?

you do know that Move is a motion "controller" and Kinect is basically a "Video camera" right? you do know that that Moves main purpose was to combat the Wii Mote?

next gens high powered PS Eye"camera" vs Kinect 2 "camera" will be more of a good comparison when they are here

Kinect is already a smash hit. The next gen PS Eye is not....yet.

yep..

there will not be another peripheral because there is really nothing left

the Tablet was the last thing that could be used really

Im focusing on the fact that they should blow the competition out the water, screw competing.

^^ and just how exactly would they Sony do this if you dont mind me asking?

the only company who will be blowing anybody out of the water is Nintendo and the competition would be smart to combat what Nintendo is preparing to blow them out of the water with

and of course YOU would be the one who would just let the competition take advantage being that you think being competitive to Kinect and the Wii U Tablet is "ridiculous"

and just what magical product do you think Sony should use that could be fun gaming wise that is new while not being a motion controller, a camera or a tablet?

please tell me what you have in mind

uh yea, maybe you should re-read that comment and think about what was REALLY dissapointing ;)

EDIT: big ass wall of text! i dont like making these so i'm not doing it again..

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