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enditall727 said: 1. who said that PlayStation 4 will be a failed platform? and what exactly do you mean by "failed"? the PS3 was a sunken ship because of it's pricing so are you talking about "pricing"? if so, I already said that Sony confirmed that they wont invest a crap load in the PS4 like they did with PS3 I did not say the playstation 4 will be a failed platform. I said Sony cant afford another failed platform. Failed in this context will be relative to Sony's position during that time. If the console is making them bucket loads of money then success. And very seldom has a console manufacturer made significant profits while not being the leader of the industry. This is why i think sony cant afford to settle for anything other than 1st place. AND IMO with your proposed strategy so far in OP (which is what this thread is about) i dont think that will get them there.
okay who said that PS4 will bring "nothing" new/innovative? and by your logic i guess it is safe to say that Nintendo's Wii U is nothing but a beefed up Wii with a tablet controller and Microsoft's 720 will be nothing but a beefed up 360 with a Kinect AND a supposed Tablet controller(nothing innovative) so basically the main competitors to Sony's PlayStation besides their hardware is of course the Wii Mote, Kinect and the new Wii U Tablet Sony is already competitive to the Wii Mote with the PlayStation Move. If Sony just simply upgrade's the PlayStation Eye to the next kinect 2.0 level then of course they will be competitive to Kinect with the PSEye. Now If Sony makes a dedicated PlayStation Tablet, then Sony will also be competitive to the Wii U Tablet with the PS Tablet ^^ if they do this, basically every thrd party game developed around the Kinect and Wii U Tablet will also be brought to the PlayStation 4. PS4 wont lose any significant ground in the casual market just by this alone when 720 and Wii U's sales explode in the Holidays, PS4's sales will explode right along with them. They wont be able to fall back on the holiday boost's to make up for the lower sales the previous 10 months and we all know that PS home console's sell more than the competitions Home consoles on a regular bases world wide ;)
And please leave your bias out of the discussion otherwise i think il sit out of the debate. The kinects IS innovative to most of the masses, whether it actually is or isnt is irrelevent. And im not sure how the Wii U isnt innovative? Its the first home console doing anything like that? Again whether that will be a success or not...who knows. But it sure as hell is innovative in the current console market space. This is not even debatable imo. That strategy you suggesting to compete with the likes of kinect and wii u is ridiculous i cant see how you cant see that. At this point im wondering if you just saying things to make the debate go on? You used the move as a positive indicator of sony competing with the wii? are you for real? The move, in terms of popularity was a complete failure. And while we on this topic, releasing peripherals to compete with components that come standard in other consoles is risky and almost never works! Developers only release games on platforms that actual have a fanbase. Sure sony can release a tablet controller, but if NOBODY bought it then WTF. Im sorry but this is one point where you completely off the mark.
2. i answered most of this above and it would be kinda hard to say that Sony "copied" Kinect because from my understanding, the PROJECT NATAL tech was brought to Sony BEFORE it was known as Kinect with Microsoft. When Sony turned it down(being that they had PS Eye and they didnt really have faith in it at that time for PS3), Microsoft THEN took advantage of it <--http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/703554/sony-we-turned-down-natal-style-tech/ if anything we can say that Kinect copied PS Eye and didn't Sony already have Tablets before the Wii U tablet was shown? ;) If Sony brings them as accessories day 1 with PS4, i dont think we can legitly say that Sony "copied" them. so In all actuality, when PS4 is released, Sony wouldn't have copied anybody
Again this is not about who copied who, but rather the feasibility of releasing peripherals to compete with standard components (that come with all sku's). Its not feasible. You've said nothing to counter that argument. no, i'm not saying that they should be released with the $400 launch system. They should release them the way we seen Kinect and Move released this gen. They could maybe bundle Move,Big PS Eye and the PS Tablet with higher end PS4's at $500 each respectively First off that price you got there is way to low. The ps3 is stil selling at about an average price of close to $300! And yet somehow sony can release crazy new hardware, a new ps eye and a tablet controller for just $499??!?? In what world. Secondly, ive already stated the limitations of peripherals. answered half of this above. lol and the Move did its job. The move basically made it not possible for the Wii to rise crazily over the PS3 in the holiday seasons like it used to I dont feel you answered this above. Or atleast i dont think youve countered my points on the matter. The effect move had on ps3 console sales was very limited imo. 4. yes, they do I had a small little section about PS4 and the American territory in the OP but i took it out to make it shorter maybe i should re-add it.. hmm.. Theres one positive here for sony, the US market generally buys their prefered product. I dont feel theres much prejudice agaisnt foreign products like there is in other countries. So sony has the potentail to reclaim that market.
next gen PS Eye will basically render Kinect 2.0 irrelevant ;) Kinect is already a smash hit. The next gen PS Eye is not....yet.
i never said that Sony "shouldn't" come up with something new i'm just focusing on the fact that they should be competitive with the already existing Kinect 2.0 and the already confirmed Wii U Tablet
True you didnt say that, but you placed no emphasis on it at all. And in terms of your ideas on what sony should and shouldnt do it leaves no room for doing something additional. Unless you suggesting ANOTHER peripheral device. In which case my head just exploded. Im focusing on the fact that they should blow the competition out the water, screw competing. |
To be honest though enditall727 i dont feel you've read though my replies thoroughly, because if you did you would'nt have repeated most of what you already said. Which is kinda dissapointing as i felt we were having a genuinely good debate up until this reply.
