Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
The truth is any part of the economy which actually relies upon the physical labour of anyone is horribly inefficient. The free ride comes from fossil fuels, not government mandate and it doesn't matter how hard you work because noone could sustain even $3 a day GDP without them. A libertarian is just as guilty as anyone else of the fact that human society is based upon a finite resource with no easy replacement, a catch 22 caused strictly speaking from people doing as they please to the detriment of future generations.
What is a REALLY good justification for benefits/entitlements? You don't have an option to opt out of the system. This isn't the good old days of small government and big liberty where anyone could settle down anywhere and eke a life out for themselves. It simply isn't possible to get a rifle and live out of your backpack like some pioneer because all the land is preallocated to someone or something.
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Actually, natural gas is a pretty easy replacement for the short term.
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Long term?
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/peak-ff-oil.png
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8526
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Depends how long you consider long term. There are plenty of resources to last for decades.
Your graph is just.... silly.
It assumes that once oil runs out we're back to oil and firewood.
Ignoring things like... natural gas, nuclear power, and renewable energy, that in a few decades would hopefuly be viable.
I mean, how simple would it be, when we hit an oil decline, say that 98 to use 8 units of Natural gas... which right now is actually CHEAPER then oil.
Pretty simple really.
We can add all the energy we need any year, because there is TONS of untapped energy, that's actually cheaper then what we use now.
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The words are 'hopefully be viable'?
Renewable energy doesn't exist without the massive subsidy from fossil fuel energy, ditto for nuclear. The scale of present natural gas and coal extraction wouldn't be possible without the input of oil because you need to invest energy to get energy back. The reason why natural gas is cheaper than oil is simply because it isn't nearly as useful.
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A) You can use Natural Gas for pretty much everything oil is used for energy related wise.
Now Plastics would get expensive as hell, but that's a different story.
B) Yeah, i'd like to think in 40 years or so renewable energy should be viable. I mean, it is 30 years-40 after all.
Aside from which, we're already building up our coal and natural gas resources.
Though really, lets pretend they don't... you think if an Oil Company wants to make more infrastructure for Oil or Natural Gas or Coal, that they're going to pay market prices for Oil?
Or am I just going to charge myself "at cost" for my own products? It's not like these products are being produced at "Full power" either... meaning that as supply gets low, they would just pull out excess supply to build replacements... because companies aren't stupid.
I mean, how do you think new Oil riggs and natural gas mining gets set up constantly as it is?
Those don't require energy?
