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kitler53 on 16 February 2012
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mrstickball said:
kitler53 said:
mrstickball said:
kitler53 said:
mrstickball said:
Hooray for ever-pervasive government controlling what you are allowed to do on the internet!


...you mean like obeying the law.

The problem is that it sets a terrible precedent for the government's ability to alter and shutdown websites.

Imagine what happens when labour websites are shut down because they are deemed against the current government. We fought against SOPA/PIPA in the US and won, yet it seems that the UK is going through with nearly the same kind of actions without any vote.

Ultimately, the value of freedom is in what extreme things can be done, even share/pirate music. Yes, there are legal ways to deal with violators, but going in and shutting down the websites is very terrible precedent.


does this set a bad precident too? 

when you break the law, the law should step in.  it's really a simple concept...without enforcement a law has no meaning.  don't forget, the ultimate freedom is the one where i shoot you in the face.  if you don't want live in a world where i can kill you just because i want to then you have to conceed you can't live the ultimate freedom. 

personally, i would like to live in a world where the hours i spend at work pushing bits around to create things that you want to consume is respected like any other career...  

It does if they decided to blow up the building housing the gear, rather than prosecuting the people who were creating/selling the counterfiet products.

That is why courts exist. Courts exist to ensure people are acting legally when it comes to copyrights and IP theft. There is, in my mind, a huge difference when the government can step in, flip a switch, and shut off a website.

Look at what countries employ those types of things regularly - China Iran, North Korea, Libya (during the war). They are countries that leverage such technology to hurt life and liberty, not ensure that copyrights are enforced.

it is in no way analogous to blowing up a building, you're just being a drama queen.  the site was shut down which is just like the restaurant a few block from me that had it's doors chained shut for selling alcohol without a liquour license.  they "flipped a switch" and it was closed.  ..and the site wasn't blown up, it's just inaccessible.

besides, I checked into this site.  it wasn't just a "storage" site or whatever where users were exchanging files illegally but seperate from site operators knowledge or intent.  the site itself had site created links to illegal music downloads making the legality of the site clearly in the wrong.  the site owner was arrested.  the site was shut down.  he's going to court over to face the criminal charges.  i really don't get your courts comment, the court system is being used just as it would be used in any criminal case.

again, this is simple.  obey the laws of the land or face the concequences.  stop being so dramatic..