No one but Ron Paul (donations)

[SamuelRSmith]

scottie said:

SamuelRSmith said:

scottie said:
"get the federal government out of are lives whilst giving state government unlimited power to interfere in the rights of citizens, cut 5 legislative branches of the government including the EPA, which is undoubtedly the most important"

Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian.

You've made this claim numerous times. Ron Paul is a constitutionalist. The constitution limits the federal government to only dealing with the natural law (protection of rights). The 10th and 14th amendments basically mean that the state governments can do what they want, as long as they, too, don't infringe on the natural rights. Ergo, under President Paul, both the Federal Government and the States will be forced to adhere to the Constitution, and thus be much more libertarian than they currently are.

Libertarians aren't people that follow the constitution, libertarians are people that want to reduce the power the government has over the people.

 

Ron Paul wants to reduce the powers the federal government has to limit the power of the state governments to limit the rights of the people, which can be simplified as Ron Paul wants to strengthen the states ability to limit the powers of the people. 

 

If he were a libertarian, he would be about reducing the power of state governments, AND federal.

Well, he's said that the Constitution isn't perfect at protecting freedoms, although I can only think of a couple of points (removing 16th and 17th amendments, introducing an amendment defining life) that he's specifically indicated at.

No, Libertarians aren't about following the constitution, they are about protecting liberty, you're right. But the constitution is about protecting liberty. And, yes, he wants to increase States rights. It's right there in the Constitution, in the 10th Amendment. However, they are limited by the 14th Amendment to infringe upon the liberties defined in the Constitution (which includes the 9th Amendment... so rights not necessarily enumerated in the Constitution, such as freedom of movement), and the 14th Amendment also gives Congress the ability to enforce this Amendment.

Sure, he wants the States to control education, or welfare, but he won't let the states inflict upon the second amendment, or any other part of the Constitution.