Capello quits as England manager!

[kennyrester]

zuvuyeay said:

kennyrester said:

zuvuyeay said:

kennyrester said:
All that said I do think 'Arry is a pretty decent manager and he'll probably do as well as anyone i.e. get knocked out by the first good team they play.

I just think the "Tactics? Fuck off back to Europe" attitude of the fans and media holds back the England team. Which, being Irish, is fine by me.

who is saying tactics fuck off,in such a horrible way,we've italian tactic for 12 years without a semi final

i'm not saying our way is the best at all,we are not,and why are you so angry,you are not even english

bobby robson got us to the semis in 90 he is english,do you think he is shit like mclaren

i don;t understand why you are portraying us so one dimensional,iliked sven he got us to the qurter finals,we lsot to brasil in searing humidity with danny mills and trevor sinclair playing and were undone by a freak ronaldhino freekick

what exactly is your problem,are you looking for perfection or what,after capello i'd like to be able to understand a sentence the english manager is saying

what about argentina,holland,portugal,france are their so superior tactics winning them world cups every touranment

so what if we get knocked out by good teams,it happens to everyone except the winner,

i don't mind hiddink or mourinho if he wanted but i don't mind giving an englisman the chance to manage his own country either

Jesus, I don't know where to start. You're really putting words in my mouth here. OK, taking your points one by one:

 

Although you didn't use the F word, as that seems to offend you you said "We don't need tactics", so that's where that come from. I'm not angry, what gave you that impression? As I said, I'm pleased by the situation. I just have an opinion despite being "not even English". Is that okay?

 

Italia ninety was 22 years ago, football has changed dramatically since then. I didn't say McLaren was shit because he was English, I was trying to point out that he was chosen because he's English, as a cure for Sven's regime and I don't think that's the way to choose a manager, but it looks as though that might be the reasoning behind it this time.

 

You are portraying England as one dimensional by saying tactics aren't needed, which is, I think, a ridiculous statement, that's the main point I was making. That and that the FA needs to change the fundamentals of football in England id they want to make a real difference, not just change the manager. You brought Sven into it, implying he was useless by saying "tell me about capello tactics in south africa,i'm all ears or svens"

 

What is my problem? Perfection? I don't get this sentence at all.I think you're totally misunderstanding me actually. As i said, I think Harry's ok, I don't have a problem with English managers, I just think the "we don't need tactics" mentality is a stupid one that damages England's chances. 

 

Of course not every major team does well in every tournament, but none of them (now that Spain have got their act together) have as bad a history as England since 1966.

 

My point about getting knocked out by good teams was that England tend to muddle through the relatively easy group and early knockout stages until they meet a good team. They never seem to beat good teams when it matters and have become a quarter final team, which given their resources really shouldn't be good enough.

 

Again, I didn't say I had a problem with English managers, jsut the idea that playing the English way shouldn't involve tactics. but your choice of Hiddink and particularly Mourinho here really flys in the face of your statments about not needing tactics and "we should be about scoring more goals than them".

so what actually is your point,i don't understand

i've watched every football tournament since 1982.,i've watched alot of football,i said we don't need tactics as a bit of fun,of course you need tactics in set plays and marking and shape,does it have to be all or nothing with what i say,i think you have misunderstood me aswell,what are you actually saying about england and her footaball i don't understand

i want to  watch england play in world cups and euros enjoying themselves you only get 3/4 games a tournament so lets play in an english style that i enjoy

again what are you actually trying to tell me about england,her players and her record please tell me so i can understand,what is it that you don't like as i enjoy watching england play in major tournamnets around the world

I don't like watching England because they're boring, but that wasn't my point. 

My point was that while I understand that you were exaggerating when you said no tactics are needed, the idea that a tactician isn't needed and all england need is o get someone in to motivate the team to go out and try their socks off and score more goals is a silly one. Look at all the best managers in the world at the moment: Guardiola, Ferguson, Mourinho and so on, master tacticians, every one of them.

 

The other point I was trying to make is that the FA is a bit of a mess. They keep getting new managers in to fix long standing problems which have been well documented, such as the focus on strength and results rather than skills and development from under 8s level up, the fact that players clearly don't try as hard for country as they do for club (look at the performances in South Africa for evidence of that) and so on. A new manager alone can't fix problems like that, as evidenced by the brilliant Capello doing so poorly in the world cup, and by England's repeated failure to progress beyond the quarter final (once in the last 23 major tournaments).

 

When you say an English style what do you mean exactly? Could you name a team that plays that way?