Are you Pro-life or Pro-choice?

[Crono]

"On another note, yes, the viability argument means that many prematurely born infants are not yet "human" at birth. You act as if this disproves the viability argument. It does not."

So, according to that logic, it'd be ok to terminate a pre-mature baby, as long as it required medical attention to stay alive. Nice.

"(Note that I am not pushing the viability argument myself, but Crono's criticisms of it are just stupid or blind.)"

If you think the argument is stupid (as do I), then why do you insist on defending it? Its a horrible argument, and it doesn't warrant any kind of defense.

"Until you stop trying to shove your black-and-white, all-or-nothing assumption down our throats no progress can be made here. "

Then when does a fetus become a human being? I guess arguing this point with you is moot, since you seem to contend that sometimes, even after birth, a baby isn't a human being, and can (or should) be dealt with as a sub human creature.

The frog criticism doesn't really matter, because with few exceptions, a frog is never a human being.


After reading your rebuttal, I'm having a hard time figuring out just what exactly your position is. You first say my argument is stupid, then you say the argument I was attacking is also stupid, then you bring up frogs, which have absolutely nothing to do with a fetus.

"Everyone only has their own unique personal perspective, but there is no scientific fact to claim when a fetus becomes a baby."

I freaking hate relativism. "Anything thats good for your is ok!" This is the most moronic perspective to hold. Its not a slippery slope, its a goddamn cliff wall. So there's no such thing as right and wrong. Freaking scary.