This is sickening.

[insomniac17]

pezus said:

insomniac17 said:

That is not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying punishment for the sake of justice, for the sake of showing them that it is wrong and not acceptable in society, and for the sake of the victim of their crime. And physical punishment? Not like physical abuse. I mean physical labor. Ever hear of chain gangs? They would be working and doing something productive to benefit society rather than sitting around in a cell all day doing nothing.  Repaying their debt to society. Would it be fun work? Heck no. Would it be a punishment and act as a deterrant? Yep. Of course, I wouldn't tolerate any humiliation or insults from the guards. They can't be treated poorly in that respect. And there's no need to starve them or anything like that. But putting in a hard day's work is not unreasonable.

Well in that case I don't know what we disagreed on. 

I... uhhh, I don't know either. My main disagreement in this thread has been over teaching versus punishment in this particular case. Maybe I got carried away and dragged you into it...