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Euphoria14 said:
Haven't commented at all on any numbers from NPD but I just feel the need to comment on these MS numbers that everyone is getting all up in arms about.

I know people don't want to believe Microsoft would stuff the channel (Overship, Retail Overorder, etc... who gives a damn what it is called, it is what it is), but we need to be realistic here and realize who we are talking about. These are the same exact people who only a few years ago claimed "First to 10M in the US wins the generation", then after that holiday season it was found that they only hit 10M before the Wii did because the channel was stuffed. So yeah, the next shipment was small but they still got to claim their "win".

Look, I know some don't want to believe it, but history shows they have done it before, even though of course we won't know the full extent of it for another few months, but seriously people, don't get all bent out of shape that some believe over shipping to be the culprit. This scenario is easily more of a possibility than VGChartz not realizing a 360 sales explosion in Europe that surpassed that of the two rival consoles, a sales explosion that would have had to come from absolute thin air when you go by the numbers we already got this year from Nintendo. Plus Nintendo will clear up this claim not too long from now and if their numbers show no massive under tracking, well... you know what gains even more credibility then.

So let people believe what they want because if you don't and you keep the bickering up, it could get real ugly in a few months. So just argue your side and let them argue theirs.

It's kinda interesting how quick it was to look to EU to be the savor of MS's claim, even though history has never shown EU, as a whole, to be a strong region for the 360.  The PS3 launched 15 months after the 360 (Dec '06 for 360, Mar '07 for PS3) and by the end of '09 it had already passed the 360 by over 750K units (360 had ~2.7 million on PS3 at launch).  And it's been pretty steadingly widening the gap ever since then.  I believe someone thought it may have been undertracked by ~800K there.  With France's numbers just out, the 360 was overtracked there by ~100K.  So that means that outside of US/UK (360's best regions), Japan and France the 360 would have seen sales of ~900K above what VGC was already reporting.  We would have heard months before the numbers came out if something that incredible was happening.