Khuutra said:
It's true that Nintendo software did best on the DS, though I had hoped that that would go without saying. It should also be pointed out, however, that no platform exists in a vacuum, and we have never seen a handheld live or die based on Western development. We have no reason to assume that the Vita will either. I never claimed that western games will not appeal to the West. Saying "THis is how it is" over and over does not constitute an argument. |
Khuutra, I'm going to start over because I know you are good at debating, and most of this has just been picking apart semantics.
Let me see if I understand your point perfectly. Western support has never been a huge impact on handheld devices, and furthermore Nintendo itself has shown that a handheld can be successful even when devoid of western support.
Is that correct?
OK. The only way I can take that statement seriously is if you believe that western dev will not have a significant impact, or possibly, that strong western support leading to success will be novel to the industry.I had assumed that you meant the former, but you just said that you never claimed western games will not appeal in the West. So, can I assume the latter?
In order to further this discussion, we need to continue to follow the ends of the logic. I'm sorry that I'm jumping ahead, but that's how I think things through, sometimes several steps ahead of what has been established.
To address the most basic implication of your logic, the amount of popularity in the west was proportional to the amount of popular western games. There is already a hole in your logic. Thereby, the only points you could possibly have is the actual weight of "significance" in reference to western support, (as the support itself has shown proportional), and that Nintendo survives without support.
To address the "weight", then I point you to the popularity of genre and franchise over others. Western support has shown proportion to how well the console is received thereby, but to what degree has the proportionality been tested? Well, a handheld has never received the support of the most popular genre in a way that the fans of the genre have grown accustomed to. DS received CoD, but it was a far cry from what the game was on console. So, yes, this may be a new test, and it may be unsupported on handhelds per se, but simply saying that it is unsupported is not a very good argument either. Western games have shown to have an effect on the reception of the platform in the west. If the proportionality simply maintains standing, then the most popular western game should garner the most reception for the platform in the west.
You can have your vaporware argument for now, but it won't be long until that obstacle falls away, and then you're going to have to address it.
Lastly, the point about Nintendo succeeding without western dev does not in any way affect the impact of western games on console adoption. Nintendo only needs Nintendo. Really no other Japanese game makes it in the west on DS, and the same goes for psp (outside of squeenix). That in itself should be clear to you that in order to be successful, Vita needs something capable of selling in the west that isn't nintendo. Japanese games won't move many vitas in the west.
The top psp games in PAL are GTA, GTA, GT, medal of honor, call of duty, namco games, and SCE games.
The top games in America are roughly the same, with football in palce of soccer.
The top games in Japan are monster hunter, metal gear, squeenix, jrpgs.
It's not that hard to figure out. psps moderate success in the west was based on the moderate library of western games, not Japanese games.
The new genres that vita is going to be able to hit, (dual analog fps, for example) the most popular genre in the west, should boost sales accordingly.
Just look at GTA for an example. GTA is one of the highest selling games on western consoles, and it was proportionally the higher selling games on psp.
The hgihest selling franchise should equal best sales on vita in the west.
