Obama's America, getting better or worse? He promised change - now we are getting it.

[Kasz216]

Bong Lover said:

Kasz216 said:

 

It wasn't 2 years, no, but they had plenty of time to get some legislation related to the economy passed.  Instead they went through with an unpopular healthcare bill.

Aside from that they had PLENTY of votes and PLENTY of time to get legislation passed before the Republicans got control of the house.  They had the momentum behind them, and wasted by focusing on a healthcare law most people didn't want, while the economy was in ruins.

Aside from which, there have been a lot of bills passed by republicans that have either failed in the senate or Reid hasn't even scheduled a vote on yet.  So it's not like they don't have their own plans as well that don't really get budged on.

No, it wasn't two years, so the point you started making at the begining of this discussion is based on a false representation of reality. You're not the only one though, the political debate in the US constantly produce this kind of percived truths. The democrats had a majority of the senate turns into they democrats had a super majority in the senate, they could have done anything and blah, blah, blah. It's all a deliberate confusion of facts and everyone is getting away with it. The post above it has another example of the same thing.

The democrats had plenty of time to pass legislation to help the economy you say. And they did have time, they even had some (albeit minimal) republican support. And what happened? They passed a string of legislation aimed to improve the economy. In 2009 and early 2010 before the health care bill was passed congress passed 10 major bills desgned to aid the economy, stabalize the housing market and encourage hiring. Since then they have passed three, not a single one in 2011.

If you want to see an example of how Republicans are obstructing government look at what is happening with the payroll tax cuts. It's an issue you'd expect everyone could agree on, a plan to extend them passed with almost 90 votes in the Senate, yet it is blocked from a vote in the House by Republicans who fear it might pass. It's the same retarded game that's been basically shutting down congress since March 2010. What happened in March 2010? The House was filled up with right wing novices who would rather have nothing done than compromise on anything. The cause and effect relationship here is pretty obvious, but I have no faith that the American public will see it.

No they passed bills they said would help the economy, but in reality were nothing but the stuff they support clothed as helping the economy.  It's  alot like republicans and their tax cut plans. (Now the removal of deductions plan, that WOULD help, even if revenue nuetral because the big companies would lose out, while the small job creating companies would pay less taxes.)  None of the legislation worked, or would help the economy.

As for the Payroll tax cuts... they should expire.

They don't create jobs.

Companies aren't going to hire people on the basis that they will have to pay less taxes on those workers for a year.  Let alone for 2 months!

While people getting a bit more money back are mostly smart enough to not spend it, when the economy is stanganting and europe might send us into an economic collapse.