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Metallicube on 21 January 2008
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elprincipe said:
Metallicube said:

 

Because half the country does not see abortion as a crime, whereas 99.9% of the country believes that robbery is wrong and is a crime. Don't you find it the slightest bit odd that half the country would support this form of "murder" as you call it?

You are misunderstanding me.  You say we should not attempt to make abortion illegal since people would do it anyone.  In my and others' view, abortion is the same as murdering a child.  Therefore, why would we NOT want to make it illegal?  And I do find it incredible the way people rationalize on this issue of life and death, but then again it's what they've been taught to think. 

Nowhere did I make the claim that making abortion illegal would increase the amount of abortions (although I really don't think it would decrease as much as you think. A woman who would go through such a dramatic procedure such as abortion would probably go through severe lengths if the situation was dire enough). What it WILL do is make the system more chaotic, more gruesome, more unhealthy for the woman, and far less civilized.

Well, we have a disagreement then, since I think it would dramatically decrease the amount of abortions.  Not everyone is willing or able to seek out a back-alley butcher to kill her child, nor are many willing or able to travel to another country to have her child killed.  Some would, of course, no doubt about that.  And abortion is already murdering a defenseless child, so it can't be too much more gruesome than it already is (I could, of course, look up pictures of some unbelievably gruesome things found in dumpsters behind abortion clinics if you want...perhaps you should really take a look at them to see if you still have the stomach to support its legality).  Abortion is also already a dangerous procedure even when legal.  And it's hard to believe that less murdering of children would be "far less civilized."

I guess I misspoke on this part. If you want my honest opinion, no I do not believe that a fetus is a true "human being" yet since it is part of the mother and depends on her for life. So I should not have said "baby" because in my view a fetus becomes a human "baby" once it is born and it independant from the mother for support. So no, I do not believe abortion is murder. I understand you do, and I respect that. But this is where we should agree to disagree because neither of us will change eachother's minds on this matter. At the end of the day it boils down to the individual's perspective of morallity and this perspective will never change in a person's mind.


 


Infants depend on their mothers for life.  Do you think a newborn can survive without someone to feed him or her, someone to take care of them?  Ditto a lot of seniors.

It's hard to understand as well why being born makes someone a person.  If a fetus can be born after four months in the womb and survive, would it then have been okay for that fetus to be aborted after five months in the womb?  After all, the only thing making it not a person in your view is a thin layer of skin and fluid enclosing it in the womb.  What about a baby about to be born, the mother in labor?  Should it be okay to kill the baby at that point in time - so long as it hasn't yet emerged?  And what about partial-birth abortion, where the baby's head is delivered, the "doctor" stabs the baby in the neck, kills him or her, and then removes the rest of the body?  Sorry, tried not to be too graphic (maybe I should be more graphic?  I don't think some people are fully informed of the realities of abortion). 


Look, bottom line is I don't believe a fetus should be looked at as a true "human" until it is born. It's still a part of the mother. I do agree that partial birth abortions are a terrible thing but the vast majority of abortions that take place are not partial birth so it is a small factor in the overall picture and really besides the point I'm trying to make.

 Everyone has a different view of when the fetus "becomes" a true human being so you have to draw the line somewhere. If abortion did become illegal where do you draw the line as to when the fetus becomes a "baby?" At what month in the pregnancy is the abortion simply birth control and at what point does it become murder? Who's to say when life really begins? Should we also ban birth control pills because it's cutting off the potential of a "baby" to be created? Making abortion illegal would require the government to come up with a precise defined time in the pregnancy when the fetus becomes a "baby" and I really don't think it's possible to set one specific timeframe in the pregnancy that will satisfy everyone.