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Izo said:
lestatdark said:
The_Joker_Product said:
lestatdark said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.

Is that so? 

Oddly, some of the most succesful MP games this generation are DS games. Or are you counting out Pokemon and Mario Kart out just because? DLC is now a benchmark to measure games? That's twisted, to say the least, but DS games do have DLC too, especially DQIX. 

Overall Scale? There are few games on both the PS3 and 360 that have the scale of DQIX and from what it looks like, DQX for the Wii is to surpass it. If you want to talk about open ended games like RDR or Skyrim, then bear in mind that no game has had the scale of ES:Daggerfall and no game for the PS3 or 360 will ever have and Daggerfall was made on 1996. 

Also your second phrase is a contradiction in itself. If game critics consider Wii, DS or any console game to be better than any "HD" game, then why shouldn't those games compete between themselves? That's an one-sided argument that holds no validity whatsoever and caters only to the popularity of home consoles over the rest of the field which is not a measuring stick for quality. 

It's a fact that the DS and Wii both have crappy games (just like the PS3 and 360 have, by the handfull), but both also have some of the best games of this generation, whether you like it or not.

I was talking to the other guy.

Odd, didn't read anything about conversations on this forum being "private", thus me being able to reply whenever I feel like it

That didn't also prohibited you from replying to Izo when he replied to me. 

@Izo - I agree with you in that scores doesn't make games automatically better than everything below them. It's all about personal preferences (I myself prefer Dark Souls to Skyrim, even though I've put a lot more hours on Skyrim. Heck, Dark and Demon Souls are both the games of the generation for me). 

I just don't like it when people go on and use weak and untruthful arguments about what games have the "right" to compete for any kind of critical acclaim. Games should be judged for what they achieve and bring to the public, not because it's on console A,B or C or because it has X,Y or Z artificial features to enhance the durability of the product because developers weren't able to produce them for the final release.

This trend (which is not new, but it's been accentuated this generation with the exacerbation of the "HD" consoles) is a sad one and that shouldn't have any place in critical dialogue. 

A DS game has as much worth as a PS3, 360, PC, Wii and PSP game of similar critical value and have any validity to compete between themselves. This goes for any game from any console.

I also love Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, having a hard time figuring out which I like more. Skyrim I'm waiting for.

Skyrim has every right to compete for GoTy and win every award it has gotten my issue is that all of this overshadows its legit problem's and shows the devolper its ok to release games in a overly buggy state and Bethseda is no stranger to these glitches so it's no excuse. What happens if the next game is also this bad? Theres has to be a point where people say ok its a fantastic game but these problems are unacceptable.

Your right any game with quality and fun value is just as worthy no matter which system its on and they all have great games.

The problem with Skyrim it's a very divisive game. On one hand it's probably the least problematic game ever released by Bethesda for the PC which in itself is a big feat and on the other hand, it has a miasma of problems on at least one console version which makes it nearly unplayable and no game that's unplayable should be worthy of an award.

There has to be a consensus and there has to be a pragmatical discussion of those problems and how they affect the overall experience of all the game's users and not just take the best experience and use it as a "glossing" over the worst experience. Which is why I personally believe that giving any award to Skyrim at this moment, just barely a month after the game released, is too precocious. It might have GOTY material, but there's still too many diverging opinions on it.

@The_Joker_Product - Actually, my original reply to you was to show you your reasons behind your reasoning as to why Wii and DS games don't compete with PS3 ones isn't valid, because all of those metrics you used are also applied to some Wii and DS games, plus not all PS3 games have those metrics as well. 



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