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fordy on 13 December 2011
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o_O.Q said:
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"he's also holding a gun to your head"

no but his hacks affected others when they are used to cheat in games ( affecting users ) and to pirate software ( affecting publishers and developers although i believe it was never so extensive that it had a great effect but it probably would have eventually led to a situation like the psp if nothing was done about it )  

and i'll reiterate this one more time i absolutely believe that the user has the right to modify their console as they see fit but not when others have to suffer the consequences because of their actions


Alright, then you tell me, why wouldn't Sony putting tighter control on the PSN side of things not only solve the issue of cheating and piracy of online games, but also allow the purchaser to freely modify their console at the same time?

You want to know WHY Sony doesn't follow this path, along with all other online mediums? Because they believe they're entitled to not spend as much on server security as everyone else. Once again, when someone cheats on an online service, it's the problem of the service.

I won't even bother bringing up the PSP. You think piracy caused it's dismal sales, I say it was a poor software library, and only one of those affect sales of the actual console....

" allow the purchaser to freely modify their console at the same time?"

what modifications are you speaking of? do you think people should be entitled to modifications that impact negatively on others like cheating online or pirating software?...

as far as i understand those are the modifications sony was trying to guard against...

as i said before if these hacks affected no one else but the individual using them no would would care, so i guess what this comes down to is what modifications you feel people have a right to...

for me i would say all that bear no negative effects on others

"You think piracy caused it's dismal sales"

no i never said that i was talking about the way the software support for it outside of japan for it gradually died away because publishers saw no point in supporting a gaming system that was plagued so much by piracy and i'd rather not have the ps3 go down that path as well ( of course some people would but i'm not one of them )


Once again, Sony is trying to guard against a server side problem on a client side system. So far I have repeated this three times today. The user should have the right to do whatever they want to the system they purchased. However, rules must be abided when a service such as PSN is used. There are numerous ways to enforce this without strict client-side regulation. Just look at the PC and the 360.

I find it funny how you advocate the right way to do things "as long as it doesn't affect others". What about the OtherOS users huh? Those guys seemed to get affected pretty badly thanks to Sony, and all because Sony is trying to kill an ant with a H-bomb. I'll repeat again, there are other tried and true methods to do this....

Now, the fallacy about your PSP argument is the other widely pirated system of this gen, the Wii. So, what position did they end up again? I think I lost track after they spent the majority of the generation flogging both of their competitors in both hardware and software sales. Can you please tell me if they're still the record holder for this gen? What about the DS? Plenty of those R4 carts wandering around, yet despite the superior library, it's the DSes COMPETITOR who is suffering piracy the most? Please....