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Chrizum said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"If people would be more educated about what McDonalds food (and many more "non-food") really is, they would go out of business as well. But McDonalds has an excellent marketing department and has built up an near indestructible brand."

That's really vague, and going way beyond this thread. You don't like MacDonalds, but it does not change the fact that reviews don't decide the quality of a game. The customers do. This is so because they are expected to shell out $30-$60 (or other currencies) for games en masse. Claiming the reviews decide the quality is to claim that people have a say in whether they like something that they buy.

Not that you are doing that, but the very notion of reviews deciding the quality of a game basically does that.

So we will decide if Xenoblade is a good game, not the reviewers.

Neither reviews or sales decide the quality of a product. I'd say nothing does, as quality is a subjective and complex concept with no real way measuring it. The best way to measure it though, is people's opinions. And neither reviews or sales have much to do with how much people value the product. Many people fall for hype and advertizing, but end up disliking games. Good legs is often a very slightly positive sign of quality, but only that, it doesn't really say much.


Quality isn't entirely subjective. For example, a burger with an actual beef patty is objectively of higher quality than one that isn't.

Even in stories, you can objectively look at elements, like characterization and how logical the story is (and I mean logic in the sense of a reasonable flow, not in terms of being sensible and realistic). But whether you like a particular story is still up to you. That doesn't change whether a plot hole exists in a story, or whether a character's motivations make sense.

That's how you get the notion of "so bad, it's good". Objectively bad, but subjectively enjoyable.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs