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Kasz216 on 13 December 2011
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scottie said:
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scottie said:
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Uh... no.  You've got that backwords.  The bailouts are a leftwing reaction... or at least they were in the US.  The bank bailouts had to be voted for twice in the House because the first time something like 66% of republicans voted it down.

Rightwing governments lean towards small non-interventionist governments which air more on the side of "Letting the market work itself out."

Giant bailouts ain't that.

You know, the corporate bailouts were what the Tea Party was mad about first, before OWS even hit the scene.  The massive deficit spending caused by bailouts republicans were against and failed stimulus spending.

Additionally, Republicans voted down the bailout the first time around in favor of letting them fail.

So unless you want to argue the Republicans are more leftwing then the Democrats....

 

1) The tea Party is one of the few right wing parties that bucks some of the usual trends of right wing politics. In some ways, the Tea Party is less right wing than the democrats.

 

2) Right wing governments are not about free market capitalism, nor are they about small government. They are about limited government control over big business, and the maximum amount of government control over everything else, including economic rights of the 99%. Would you claim that Scott Walker, because he was intervening by banning trade unions, was a left winger? (This isn't a rhetorical question, please answer it, I honestly can't understand you and I think answering this question will help me to learn what you think right and left wing mean)

 

3) It is completely irrelevant to my point that the republicans voted against the bailouts. The Icelandic parliament is controlled by the left wing, and they did not bail out the banks. The Democrats are a moderate right wing party, and they voted for it. The Republicans, from what I can gather, voted against it simply because they knew it would win them votes to do so.

 

@ Kudistos megistos - How about you respond to my points instead of resorting to petty insults.


1) The Tea parties beliefs up until about George Bush 2, was the general mainstream beliefs of the Republican party.

2)  Scott Walker didn't try to ban trade unions.  He tried to ban GOVERNMENT trade unions... which is an idea that came from FDR, the most fiscally liberal president the country has ever seen. 

3)  The Icelandic Parliment first refused to baiout the banks in 2008 under a rightwing ruling coalition.  In 2008, the Icelandic parliment was being run by a coalition led the Independent Party.  Which is Iceland's major Rightwing group.  The Leftwing took control 2009.

Once taken over by the left wing in 2009, the Althing passed a bill to pay back the UK off the backs of it's taxpayers to a tune of $16,700 a pop. 

This was only blocked by the people telling it's new more liberal government it did NOT want government bailouts of UK debt and forcing a referrendum against the Liberal Coalition's deal.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=awUQtLSVh0sQ&pos=7

Who got 25% of the people on a petition forcing the prime minister to block the bill?

InDefense, a Rightwing group (although admittidly, they haven't said anything about the liberals bailouts of the bank recapitalizations.)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/icel-j21.shtml

 

So, in reality your exaple actually supports my arguement.  We've got both the Righwting of Iceland and the US, voting against bailouts, and the Leftwing of both the US and Iceland voting FOR bailouts.