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Rath on 05 December 2011
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Areym said:
Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Walking down a line of passive protestors and spraying them is clearly wrong. Pepper spray, along with other less than lethal weapons, should only be used to subdue aggresive people who are causing danger to themselves or others.

If they were breaking the law with their sit in then the officer could have arrested them, if they aggresively resisted arrest then he could have pepper sprayed them. What he did however, spray them when they were not aggresive, was reprehensible.


You seem to have missed the part where they already arrested people.

They arrested as many people as they could handle.  Which gave them the options of pepperspray or waiting for backup.  The second option is how dangerous riots happen.

Pepperspraying was by far the best option available.

No, aggressive police behaviour against passive protests is how riots happen.


Come on, they were clearly telling the police to fuck off. Anywhere else, you'd get your ass handed to you in a split second but cause those little pricks had enough people, they felt empowered. People are blocking your way, telling you to fuck off, (from what I understood) twisting words and just being little entitled babies. In another country, this would have gone way way way way worse. They should be glad they got pepper sprayed and not worse. They provoked the police, saw them take out the pepper spray, they walked around the goddamn circle and this is police brutality? The students were being stubborned babies, not complying to reasoning like "hey we're about to get pepper sprayed in the face at point blank range...let's stay." And what I find like a slap in the face is that from that video, you can see people laughing it up and giggling like it's cool to fuck with the police.

I will stay by my believe that was not police brutality. The police was extremely patient, well behaved and from what I can at least derive from the videos I watched, well organized. Until undeniable proof of actual police brutality comes to light, I stand by the police. These "children" didn't learn you don't always get what you want the hard way.

and I ask you, If I came up to you, asking for something and telling you to fuck off and give me what I want and blocking your way, is that not aggresive behaviour? I am aggresively demanding my needs/wants to be satisfied with strong language and physically preventing you from being on your way. "Oh no, I can't hit him cause he hasn't touched me first, whatever shall I do?" 


Anywhere else?

I come from NZ. That would not have happened here.

 

What the police should have done if they had to arrest/move the protestors (and what they did after pepper spraying) is simply to arrest/move the protestors. There was no reason for the pepper spray to be used against protestors who were not a threat to the police. Pepper sprays only purpose is to subdue through pain - to use it on a non-threatening person is in itself police brutality.

 

Edit: I also have to wonder if the people who support the police in this would have been so supportive of the same thing against a movement whose ideals they agreed with. (Also for the record, I think the occupy protests are kind of stupid)