Are you Pro-life or Pro-choice?

[Kasz216]

flukus said:

Kasz216 said:

Declan said:
@fkusumot

Fair enough. But I still think that in order for me to actually be able to feel pain, I must also be able to think. That is, in order for what I feel to count as pain, I must have sufficient conscious to realise that I would prefer that what I am feeling would go away. So if I can feel I can think (to some basic level), therefore I am.

Nope you are wrong. People who are infact brain dead feel pain. Or atleast they act that way when their organs are removed without painkillers. Which is why most hospitals use them.

The brain deads blood pressure shoots up and sometimes they move when cut into without pain killers.

 

[ Reply To This | View ] It's not pain it, it's a reflex. Pain is just the way our brain interprets them. Look at insects, the can have limbs torn off and keep going, because their brains don't interpret pain like we do. On a side note does anyone else hate the "It's a womans choice" argument? If I ever get a girl pregnant I won't to be able to tell her to get an abortion or thats where my responsibility ends. Of I don't generally meet people against abortion. Most of them are in fundamentalist countries.

That's the point.  It's the same way with fetus as the "couple weeks in reactions" are just reflexes.  As there are no brainwaves.  Or not.  It's debated whether or not pain is felt in Brain dead patients. Some places urge the use of pain killers.  Either way it's the same with both.