Herman Cain: does anyone still support him?

[Kasz216]

Mr Khan said:

Kasz216 said:

To me, he is what he always was. A funny guy who had a lot of ideas that would never make it through.

Would I vote for him?

I wasn't planning to vote for anyone honestly. I plan to go in, vote and leave the ballot blank.

Before everything about him was found out, I was kinda hoping he'd win because if anything it would put a final nail into the coffin of the "Black man can't be president" argument.

Some of it still sticking around because Obama is half white, and because Obama was a democrat running essentially running against 8 years of bush.

Had the Republicans nominated and elected a black president? Race pretty much would of been ruled out as a barrier for president for good.  Which sadly might be the most positive outcome of any of the candidates in the running.  (Plus he probably wouldn't sexually harass anyone as president with all the media focus right?  That's another plus!)

Outside that, I don't think it matters who is president. I think at best we're headed into 10 years of "Eurostasis" and at worst an outright depression thanks to the collapse of Europe.

We've had too many attempts at short term "election" stimulus focusing on throwing an economic "Sale" rather then attempts to create actual demand and value.

What is your opinion on the payroll tax holiday? I suppose its futile by its own nature, because you're not going to hire people if you know they're going to immediately become more expensive to pay for.

Exactly.  I'm sure some hiring might happen, but mostly only for short term projects with the intention of letting people go when the deal expires.

What's the point of hiring someone because they are cheaper now, only if they are going to become more expensive in like... a year... and you probably don't have excess demand anyway.

Now maybe something like a bigger 4-5 year payroll tax cut ONLY for buisnesses establishsed within the last 2 years or just being created could be good.  If you found a way to stop loopholes.  If I remember right you could actually just abolish them for the first 4-5 years and it'd cost less then this cut.

That way it'd mostly be jobs that had a good chance of sticking around, should they find new value in the market. (which is something that does actually grow the economy.)  It'd basically create a HUGE incentive for the creation of jobs, rather then a weak incentive that goes to everyone working.

It would even give new companies added advantages over older companies since equal pay will pay them more, and a lot more at that... and i'd imagine after 4 years of being somehwere, the idea of your pay being cut quite a bit wouldn't feel great, so a lot of people who prove themselves valuable can get themselves a bump in their salaries to offset it.

 

This is essentially our jobs issue.  Blame regulations, or coproations, tax hungy politicians or the dot com bubble, but the last 10 year or so it's been WAY harder to start your own buisness, and espiecally become an IPO....

and I've found out that's where all the job creation comes from.  (Which is why my opionion on the matter has changed in the last few months.)