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MDMAniac said:
FinalEvangelion said:
MDMAniac said:

@ ArnoldRimmer

Your freedom ends where restrictions and regulations for others begin. So, the more power we have to suppress the world, the more freedom we gain. If only stupid hippies could understand this.


That makes no sense at all.  There are many countries that can't suppress the world that have as many, if not more, freedoms than we do.  Take a look at the Scandinavian region or Netherlands.  In many ways, they have more freedom than we do.  Japan has no standing army, and they have just as much freedom as us - even economically (I've lived there).  Unless you are one of those people that believes that the US is the only free country - which is sometimes hard to convince some conservatives that it's not true.

 

Recently Japan was going to sell the treasuries to recover their economy a bit but were "recommended" not to do so. Now, which state has more freedom you say? In fact, it's only Russia which dare to drive money away atm, may be because damn commies still have some nukes and balls left? Lots of Japanese companies have been in American court, as a man who lived there you obviously can name me a few American companies sanctioned by nihojin, right?

Don't know much about Norway affairs, but them being member of NATO speaks for itself. Time will come when Arctica will become very hot area, then we'll see.


I'm talking about the freedom of the individual citizens, not what the state can do.  Most wars are fought over what the state can do and not the freedom of the individuals.  Russia hasn't been communist for 20 years now, officially.



"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."  --Hermann Goering, leading Nazi party member, at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials 

 

Conservatives:  Pushing for a small enough government to be a guest in your living room, or even better - your uterus.